i5 12400 vs Ryzen 7 5700X

[dadinjo]

Hi everyone. This is my first post here, so I sincerely apologize if I break a rule or make a mistake in similar fashion.

I'll soon build a new PC (soon as in the next few weeks) and I'm interested in your opinion: i5 12400(F) (6C/12T) or Ryzen 7 5700X (8C/16T) as a CPU?

Just to note some things:
I'm aware that Intel's 13th gen and Ryzen 7000 are just days away from release. For the sake of keeping this short, I've decided that it doesn't suit me to buy any of that new gen stuff since the cost of the PC would be much higher.

Also, I've narrowed down the choice to 12400 and 5700X simply because of tight budget (not from the US/Western country, tech market is utter mess where I live). With mobo, these 2 would cost approximately the same. RAM will be 32GB, either 3200MHz CL16 or 3600MHz CL18.

What I want to know is the following:
Since Alder Lake (hence this i5) has significantly better single core performance than Ryzens, which tradeoff should I pick: 6 cores of a bit better SC performance or the extra 2 cores of 5700X with somewhat worse SC? I'm coming from i5-2500 btw.

I'd be mainly making music and mixing/mastering my own stuff + vox recording. Some of the libraries to be used: Addictive Keys + Drums, Omnisphere 2, Trillian and potentially some Nexus expansions + smaller libs like Ample Basses and guitars, Lounge Lizard, Battery...

Plugins would be mostly from Waves, Soundtoys, Fabfilter and stuff like Effectrix 2, RC 20, some Izotope stuff as well...

I think I should say that, skill wise, I'm still n amateur in a sense that I have to improve much more (though very far from novice/beginner level) so these CPUs may even be an overkill at the moment... But I wanna be ready when I up my game and also to use this PC for 4-5 years at least.

THANKS TO EVERYONE IN ADVANCE!!!

[Pictus]

With the Ryzen 5700X the only upgrade path you have is to add a more powerful CPU.
With the Intel 12400F you also be able to upgrade to the next Intel 13 generation CPU.
The 5700X or the 121400F does not have built-in GPU, any Intel CPU with F in the
name does not have. The AMD Ryzen 5700G does have a built-in GPU and
the performance is +- like the 5600X.

A reference for performance you can check (Not perfect, but it is what we have)
viewtopic.php?t=574244

The Intel 12400 without the F has a built-in GPU and seems like it is a better choice.

For some good tweaks check
viewtopic.php?p=7624448#p7624448

This guy push the CPU toooo much to the edge, not good!
But learn to overclock we also learn to tweak and underclock/undervolt to
keep the CPU cool and less noisy.
https://youtu.be/4gDfMwOBnoE

https://youtu.be/mtKkZKURTS8
https://youtu.be/4QzHwbN5MBw

If you plan to do some overclock will need a decent CPU cooler.
(The AK620 White version comes with the LGA1700 KIT)
https://youtu.be/4NpTZRassHI

And if you go Intel, better get this also
https://youtu.be/iYU1OskbY-Q

[2DaT]

Get a 12400, 3200 memory and a 15-20$ tower cooler and call it a day.

Don't bother with overclocking, it's waste of time.

[dadinjo]

With the Ryzen 5700X the only upgrade path you have is to add a more powerful CPU.
With the Intel 12400F you also be able to upgrade to the next Intel 13 generation CPU.
The 5700X or the 121400F does not have built-in GPU, any Intel CPU with F in the
name does not have. The AMD Ryzen 5700G does have a built-in GPU and
the performance is +- like the 5600X.

A reference for performance you can check (Not perfect, but it is what we have)
viewtopic.php?t=574244

The Intel 12400 without the F has a built-in GPU and seems like it is a better choice.

For some good tweaks check
viewtopic.php?p=7624448#p7624448

This guy push the CPU toooo much to the edge, not good!
But learn to overclock we also learn to tweak and underclock/undervolt to
keep the CPU cool and less noisy.
https://youtu.be/4gDfMwOBnoE

https://youtu.be/mtKkZKURTS8
https://youtu.be/4QzHwbN5MBw

If you plan to do some overclock will need a decent CPU cooler.
(The AK620 White version comes with the LGA1700 KIT)
https://youtu.be/4NpTZRassHI

And if you go Intel, better get this also
https://youtu.be/iYU1OskbY-Q

Tnx for replying and for all this info.

I also did quite a bit of digging on my own, so these are my answers:

I certainly won't ever overclock, the CPU will always run how it is supposed to.

I know that F variants of Intels don't have a GPU, but it doesn't really matter to me since I already have a dedicated one (if I go the i5 route i'll still probably buy one with an iGPU just in case my Radeon fails me).

As for potential upgrades, I really don't plan on doing that. What I build now will most likely stay untouched for years to come... Possibly I'll add another SSD if I run out of space.

Buying 12th gen just to end up having to take it out, sell it and buy a, let's say, 13th gen i7 is just too much of a hassle and it wouldn't be a night and day difference as much as it will be now (though still significant).

For cooler, I think something like Deepcool Gammax 400 V2 or Be Quiet Pure Rock Slim 2 would suffice for both CPUs.

With what I've written in mind, what would be your preferred choice?

[dadinjo]

Get a 12400, 3200 memory and a 15-20$ tower cooler and call it a day.

Don't bother with overclocking, it's waste of time.

Tnx for replying.

I never intended to overclock, so it is out of the picture.

So you think that i5's 6 cores will be enough for long-term? (4-5 years)

[2DaT]

So you think that i5's 6 cores will be enough for long-term? (4-5 years)

It will do just fine.

As for the cooler, generally you don't need a tower cooler, because stock cooler will work fine. But it's somewhat noisy. Don't waste more than 30$ on a cooler, chip is cold as is.

By the way, your CPU demands don't scale with production skill

Skilled producers don't use millions of effects all the time, and if they do, they can work around it by freezing. It's usually the amateurs who need a lot of excessive CPU power.

[chk071]

i5-12400 is an excellent choice for the price. I actually wanted to get that CPU as well on my new computer, but, couldn't find a good offer for a pre-built PC sporting the i5-12400, so I got a i5-11600K, which is in the same ballpark in terms of performance.

[Pictus]

Tnx for replying and for all this info.

I am glad to help.

For cooler, I think something like Deepcool Gammax 400 V2 or Be Quiet Pure Rock Slim 2 would suffice for both CPUs.

They are ok.
https://youtu.be/rhZTMR8mT-A
But if you live in a hot climate and/or want the cooler to be dead silent.
In some places the Thermalright Peerless Assasin 120 SE is only $35.90
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY ... a120-se-d3
https://youtu.be/ASeu5BjaVJo
Limit the fan MAX RPM with a custom curve and it will be much more silent.
This is the best fan control https://linustechtips.com/topic/1099996 ... placement/
the good part is that you can make the case fans react to both CPU and GPU temperature.

With what I've written in mind, what would be your preferred choice?

Because of the better single core performance, the Intel may be more interesting, but
at the same time more cumbersome as the CPU will bent at some point in time, to
prevent that you need something like the Thermalright LGA1700 frame.
With the new AMD CPUs launch, probably there will be some price promotions...
Well, buy what you find cheaper.

[metamorphosis]

For cooler, I think something like Deepcool Gammax 400 V2 or Be Quiet Pure Rock Slim 2 would suffice for both CPUs.

With what I've written in mind, what would be your preferred choice?

Stock cooler. Honestly, I used to buildmachines to be ultra-quiet,
but my recent 12th-gen intel build you can't hear the CPU fan at all. Can't state one way or the other for AMD

[dadinjo]

i5-12400 is an excellent choice for the price. I actually wanted to get that CPU as well on my new computer, but, couldn't find a good offer for a pre-built PC sporting the i5-12400, so I got a i5-11600K, which is in the same ballpark in terms of performance.

Are you satisfied with 11600K? Is it dependable from practical performance standpoint (loading multiple large libraries + FX on multiple tracks with lots of audio/MIDI info) without causing stutters/lags due to CPU usage?

I'm interested to know in how far you've pushed it, thankful in advance!

[dadinjo]

For cooler, I think something like Deepcool Gammax 400 V2 or Be Quiet Pure Rock Slim 2 would suffice for both CPUs.

With what I've written in mind, what would be your preferred choice?

Stock cooler. Honestly, I used to buildmachines to be ultra-quiet,
but my recent 12th-gen intel build you can't hear the CPU fan at all. Can't state one way or the other for AMD

Tnx for the input! I'll have to dig deeper about the stock RM1 cooler then.

Also, this may be inappropriate for this thread, but since I see you've built PCs and are active in audio world: should I buy a single large M.2 NVMe drive or 2 separate ones? (one for OS drive and non-music stuff and the other for DAW, plugins and libraries + project files and whatever is rendered to audio in them). I already have a 1TB HDD to be used for general backup and non-important files.

[chk071]

i5-12400 is an excellent choice for the price. I actually wanted to get that CPU as well on my new computer, but, couldn't find a good offer for a pre-built PC sporting the i5-12400, so I got a i5-11600K, which is in the same ballpark in terms of performance.

Are you satisfied with 11600K? Is it dependable from practical performance standpoint (loading multiple large libraries + FX on multiple tracks with lots of audio/MIDI info) without causing stutters/lags due to CPU usage?

I'm interested to know in how far you've pushed it, thankful in advance!

Sorry for the late answer, I didn't notice your quote. I don't know about loading large libraries, because I don't use those, but, the test I ran with LatencyMon was very good (I think the highest DPC latency was about 186 µs or something), and it runs my most expensive soft synths just fine. Nothing really scientific I made in terms of testing, but, I'm very pleased with the performance. Everything runs fine, and that's all I'm asking for.

[VitaminD]

Get a 12400, 3200 memory and a 15-20$ tower cooler and call it a day.

Don't bother with overclocking, it's waste of time.

Tnx for replying.

I never intended to overclock, so it is out of the picture.

So you think that i5's 6 cores will be enough for long-term? (4-5 years)

You're coming from an i5-2500. Either CPU is lightyears beyond what you have.

I went from i5-2500 -> i5-4690 -> r5 3600 -> r9 5900x

Each was a very noticeable bump. The biggest was going from 4690 to 3600. Your performance jump will be a big big difference from what you have.

I'd go with the intel system simply because, as others mentioned, you'll have more upgrade options on it, should an opportunity/need arise in the next few years. Just pick a decent motherboard.

Single core perf looks better on the intel and, as a result, multi core performance is only slightly less than the 5700x despite the extra cores on the amd cpu.

But, again, I don't think you can go wrong with either.

[bk]

I recently built a new I5-12400F machine. It runs great. I'm very pleased with the performance. I went with a Deepcool AK400 cooler. I can run Prime95 for an hour, and the CPU temp tops out at 65 degrees. At that level of performance I can barely hear the fan. During normal usage, it's very close to silent.