TBTech Kirchhoff-EQ

[Funky40]

I would not advise it to a pure musician /producer who lets others do the mixing.
For a mixing /mastering engineer who wants extensive detail control this is heaven though.

noted, thanks.

Tough, my usecase is very specialised:
i mostly do "complex patches" in my pluginHost of choice (GP) for --> realtime-play purposes.

i´m kind of new to take *extensive" advantage of some of these dynamic EQ features.
Turns out, the devil lies totally in the detail, ---> vs. that usecase scenario !!


its a bit longer:
Each, UVI shades, FF pro-Q (and Minimals morph EQ )gives a *totally* different feature set. For example is not everyhwere any parameter available for "dynamisation", nor has any of them a envelope follower on board.
I think so far is UVI Shades the winner vs. that perspective. BUT:
its VERY time intensive to create complex dynamisations.( there is some UI/GUI things i do not like too much vs. Shades / while its better to operate than pro-Q in other corners / wich made me now look for other contenders)

Now comes the next level, which IS then a stumbling block:
now create (one knob) morph controls ---> versus "your dynamisation setup".
ie, alter it afterwards from outside by Midi CC.
--> make the "dynamisation setup" itself jammable.
UVI shades allows here for some (nice) things ! Not shure on any of the other ones.
if they can, its definitly less.

This whole thing to explore is as much work, as if one would start with modular.
so, me, i failed so far evaluating this sort of EQ tools --> just upfront. (bevore purchase)

[dermage]

You could also look into unfiltered audio triad or Kilohearts multipass with their EQs. These should be the most powerful tools for your usecases. (both have several mappable macro knobs)

Kirchhoff on the other hand is pure eq with dynamics capabilities, not much modulation possible within. Pro q3 is IMHO behind functionality wise. Also tb tech keep adding functionality and its almost there with fully including all proQ features (only missing the multi instance analyzer view afair)

[Funky40]

You could also look into unfiltered audio triad or Kilohearts multipass with their EQs.

thanks for the tip.
i allready bought the kirchoff EQ. I couldn´t wait.
I have Triad, never used it. While i´m abig fan of the UA stuff otherwise.

my first patch-attempt with the Kirchhoff is allready a winner.
Yet, i could have donne such patch allready with Pro-Q. At least the more important part of it.
So, as so often seen in my modularsynth experience: a new Tool/Toy inspires to do things, that could allready have been donne bevore.
BUT: learning to deal with the "upper" / "lower" settings is VERY eye- and door opening.
Thats a completly new one to me.

Very happy i went for it.....will take sonnox too when i stumble over a sale.
But can say allready this:
for what i´m doing, -realtime-play sounddesign-, won´t replace any of this tools any of the others.
Thats now allready (fresh) an obvious one for me.

btw. Thanks for all the help and tipps here so far !

[dermage]

The best thing with Kirchhoff is its workflow and UI overview. It really excels at working quickly and the UI feels just 'light' and efficient. Much better than Equilibrium and even proQ.

[vitocorleone123]

The best thing with Kirchhoff is its workflow and UI overview. It really excels at working quickly and the UI feels just 'light' and efficient. Much better than Equilibrium and even proQ.

I didn’t find that true when I did a demo. ProQ3 is still the best designed (user experience) EQ overall.

[Funky40]

ProQ3 is still the best designed (user experience) EQ overall.

Personally, i would disagree.
overall ?...then thats at least to some extent debatable.
Otherwise: have a look at UVI Shade (EQ)

it gives an idea how some things could have been donne vs. Pro-Q.
several things are way quicker there ( more direct ).
just drag + different keys, like "command", "option", "shift", ...plus doubleclicks vs. menu.

i REALLY like pro-Q, just to say.
Its light on the CPU, has imho very good soundquality ( for what i do) , and i never had sound artifacts.
with the kirchhoff EQ do i run into soundartifacts.

Nevertheless, i´d say Pro-Q is due for a V4.
add the quick access like Shade has, and add the upper+lower setting, and we are ready for 2023

I mean, pro-Q showed the way (if i´m not mistaken)
Others picked up on it, and have refined the User access concept.
Guess, now its time that Fabfilter could/should pickup on their part.......

[vitocorleone123]

ProQ3 is still the best designed (user experience) EQ overall.

Personally, i would disagree.
overall ?...then thats at least to some extent debatable.
Otherwise: have a look at UVI Shade (EQ)

it gives an idea how some things could have been donne vs. Pro-Q.
several things are way quicker there ( more direct ).
just drag + different keys, like "command", "option", "shift", ...plus doubleclicks vs. menu.

i REALLY like pro-Q, just to say.
Its light on the CPU, has imho very good soundquality ( for what i do) , and i never had sound artifacts.
with the kirchhoff EQ do i run into soundartifacts.

Nevertheless, i´d say Pro-Q is due for a V4.
add the quick access like Shade has, and add the upper+lower setting, and we are ready for 2023

I mean, pro-Q showed the way (if i´m not mistaken)
Others picked up on it, and have refined the User access concept.
Guess, now its time that Fabfilter could/should pickup on their part.......

Can definitely agree that we need a ProQ4!

[MogwaiBoy]

with the kirchhoff EQ do i run into soundartifacts.

I'm interested in this comment - could you please elaborate more on what you mean by artifacts regarding the Kirchoff?

[Funky40]

I'm interested in this comment - could you please elaborate more on what you mean by artifacts regarding the Kirchoff?

yes, i understand that this is not a trivial one.
at least not for "normal" uses. (production scenario)

So, i do morph controls, AND i manually JAM, based on using these morphs!
Means, i do NOT refer to static usecases.
i talk "realtime-play" jamms.
( please see my comment on the end)

I still have these artifacts !....i just had a longer jam.
activating the "x2" button helped a bit.
then, i´ve set now the FFT setting to "fast" ( was: "very fast")

The artifacts are better now, but not gonne.
They appear in the highest frequency range, when doing a sweep.
Thats what i figured out. But nothing more.
I use a hi-cut and low-cut filter as a sort of band pass, and sweep thru the whole spectrum.
While there are also many EQs placed otherwise, from low to high, all with dynamisation settings aplplyed. But the morph is so far only these two filter/EQ bands.

My output Level Meter on the kirch-EQ is at -11.6db, at highest. (while jamming)
With the new settings -described above- its better, and a recording probably doable.
Early this evening, i thought: WoW, ...NO recording possible this way.

Can´t tell you more.
No clue where its coming from.....

to notes:
i load my plugins in GigPerformer.
I am under the opinion that with some plugins crackles/noises can appear, that won´t do that in a DAW.
Just a guess so far !......and nothing more.
Based on: that i have problems with the Elka-X with slight crackles, while other folks, -using it in a DAW-, do not.

NOT used my kirch-EQ in a DAW !
can´t comment vs. that.
(i´m on a M1mac / my EQ plugin has a bypass button on a HW control, so i can do A-B tests on the fly)


edit: ahh, the artifacts are some high noise, like a (way) softer form of "crackles",
as i have with very high CPU loads. Its soft, but its in the high register, so its still very notable.
Input is Piano/EP. The EQ is mostoften in linear mode.

edit2: since i feed a single instrument only, that is at that "setting" when the crackles would appear, *very* much HP-filtered, are these crackles ofcourse very prominent.
So, its also much contextual vs. the sound.

[plexuss]

I heard back from TBT regarding license transfers. Here is their reply:

Unfortunately our EULA does not allow license transfering or reselling.

It will be your choice eventually, but we would not recommend to purchase 2nd-hand license from personal users.Principally we do not provide technical support on resold licenses, which includes transfering license to another account, changing email address, reset activations, etc.That means we will not be able to guarantee the security of your license.

Honestly we can't completely prevent reselling and the only thing we can do is to suggest you not to do so.
We hope to have your understanding.

Best regards,

[gondii]

soooo... Dirk from Plugin Alliance just posted on FB that this will become a PA plugin soon.

I suppose this will open the doors to license transfers, although with quite the drop in value.

Personally, I can't wait to pick it up for next to nothing

[Funky40]

soooo... Dirk from Plugin Alliance just posted on FB that this will become a PA plugin soon.

okeeey........

...... although with quite the drop in value.

renders it then quasi a total loss vs. resale.

But: for me personally is it this:
i "patch" within gigperformer ( pluginhost).
every "new" plugin that replaces old ones, and brings something significantly better on the table, renders my whole previous ---> similar work vs. specific patches <--- quasi worthless.
The kirch EQ has had its impact on some things i do.
Every month i´d lose on it, i´d lost big amounts of personal investment and power.
Just the few weeks i had it now, are invaluable for me. Glad i jumped, haha.

[plexuss]

soooo... Dirk from Plugin Alliance just posted on FB that this will become a PA plugin soon.

I suppose this will open the doors to license transfers, although with quite the drop in value.

Personally, I can't wait to pick it up for next to nothing

I couldn't justify it for the price and no license transfers. I was going to sell ProQ3 to fund it. I will wait then and see if/how this PA dealio works out.

[robindrieghe]

we all just have to wait till it costs 29$

[Funky40]

we all just have to wait till it costs 29$

at PA ?

99$ quite rapidly.
79$ also, but less frequently. Well, not bevore 6 months
Then 49$, ......in this case, not bevore one year.
29$ ? in 2-3 years

my numbers of estimation

i´d say i payed 50$ too much.
But: counting the fun i had playing my patches, plus the value of the experience developing my patches,
well, i probably saved worth of 1000$ or more.
Cause this experience can flow now into any other patch. And: It does !
(edit: for misspelling)

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