Ole roland drum machines (DR series) etc vs sampled waves?

[HREQ]

So on the intrawebz there's samples of all these drum machines, you get one shot samples you can throw into battery or whatnot and do whatever...
my question is, is there any point in buying one of those drum machines? Do they trigger the samples differently or are more useful then just using the waves? I'm always be interested in them but never looked them up TBH

[Etienne1973]

Because the re-sampled versions (for software samplers) can be cut differently (sample start) they groove differently triggered by DAW sequencers. Perhaps there are other reasons on top that specific hardware sequencers groove like they do.

[Constructed Identity]

Short answer: Roland makes things for people who have never bought any musical device before, and have never heard of a DAW.

[pekbro]

They can be pretty cool, and are desirable in HW setups. Dunno if I'd buy any of them beyond collection purposes. I have an old R8 that I like and use occasionally, someone gave it to me for free though.

I have bought some rather costly modern clones though, mostly because I happen to love drum machines.

[Uncle E]

Because the re-sampled versions (for software samplers) can be cut differently (sample start) they groove differently triggered by DAW sequencers. Perhaps there are other reasons on top that specific hardware sequencers groove like they do.

This is a great point. Those old sounds were made when sample editing wasn't nearly as precise. I bet the sampled versions are cut a lot more precisely.

Is there any sampler that can trigger sampling from MIDI? Can MPC's do that?

[HAL76]

Because the re-sampled versions (for software samplers) can be cut differently (sample start) they groove differently triggered by DAW sequencers. Perhaps there are other reasons on top that specific hardware sequencers groove like they do.

This is a great point. Those old sounds were made when sample editing wasn't nearly as precise. I bet the sampled versions are cut a lot more precisely.

Is there any sampler that can trigger sampling from MIDI? Can MPC's do that?

Cutting was never really an issue. Thats not it. Just take a look at the samples from the R8 ROM available out there. They saved every Bit back then.

But every machine had its own "groove pattern". You can grab them in the web.

And "polyphony" didn't mean that the gear would Play everything just tight. The more voices, the more character.

Midi for triggering the sampler? I think MPC, halion definitely.

Machines are from my perspective mainly interesting today because you will work differently. You will have a different result with the R8 sequencer than with a DAW.

[Jim Y]

Some of it is about the way the sounds are generated. Some old machines had all analogue generated sounds, so you have the same organic uncertainty as for analogue synths. Of course, eventually, the DR's & TR's used samples themselves beginning with just the metal percussion elements in an 8bit ROM.
I have an old TR505 that uses samples for all sounds but that is kind of erratic in an analogue way - I think because it doesn't have a quartz timing clock for either the sample playback or tempo speed it still manages to be a bit organic.

[JockMcRonan]

outta here