switch from bitwig to another daw

[BenfordLaw]

Tbh, y'all are so incredibly mad over having to pay money for like the actual sickest mixing/sound design plugins I have seen in a hot minute. 80 for the four of them is an actual steal, and value for money that you won't even get anywhere else.

It is a bit of a disappointing move though, they definitely should've planned it better. Hope they learn from this, but in like 3 weeks nobody will still care.

The fact that you used the phrase "hot minute" means we can all ignore everything else you just said, LOL. And the fact that Bitwig have obviously breached their own contract with their customers by doing this.

[Bartone]

If I understand correct: In Bitwig there is a small pop up window every time you open song (if you don’t buy the ad on thing), but you can close this pop up window and it will stay away - until you restart Bitwig? And this pop up is reminding you to get that ad on plug-in?

[dayjob]

If I understand correct: In Bitwig there is a small pop up window every time you open song (if you don’t buy the ad on thing), but you can close this pop up window and it will stay away - until you restart Bitwig? And this pop up is reminding you to get that ad on plug-in?

appears they got rid of that in the 4.3.10 update they pushed out quickly after the spectral suite add on was released

[Bartone]

If I understand correct: In Bitwig there is a small pop up window every time you open song (if you don’t buy the ad on thing), but you can close this pop up window and it will stay away - until you restart Bitwig? And this pop up is reminding you to get that ad on plug-in?

appears they got rid of that in the 4.3.10 update they pushed out quickly after the spectral suite add on was released

Ok, so the message from users was clear and Bitwig group did act fast and fixed that issue.

[syntonica]

Now with the addition of add-ons, are people going to blindly support future updates, not knowing which ones will be core BW updates and which ones will cost extra? It's going to be a delicate dance for them at the least.

lol wut? Updates to Bitwig will be updates and covered by the optional year-long upgrade plan. Add-ons will be add-ons and cost whatever they Bitwig says they cost.

In the old upgrade plan there for sure have been stuff that could have been labeled as add ons that you paid for via the upgrade plan. going forward this isn't the case always.

Like for example Poly Grid.. easily a add on, but it wasn't

Bitwig will still have to supply great value to their main updates to the DAW if they want to continue to sell upgrade plans. No value supplied by Bitwig, no upgrade money supplied by user. Simple.

[jonston1]

Holding off on updating Bitwig for a while honestly.

[pdxindy]

If I understand correct: In Bitwig there is a small pop up window every time you open song (if you don’t buy the ad on thing), but you can close this pop up window and it will stay away - until you restart Bitwig? And this pop up is reminding you to get that ad on plug-in?

They already corrected that in an update.

[dayjob]

i get people are pissed but why quit a DAW you like using? just give them less money. don't buy the update plan every year. if bitwig workflow and environment is a good thing for you just keep using it and eventually your anger will subside and in 2 years you'll be ok updating if there's new features you want and think the price is worth it.

at some point it's going to be well packed w/features and quite stable.. i mean there's already so much that can be done w/it.. just make tracks and turn off the internet for a while.

[machinesworking]

i get people are pissed but why quit a DAW you like using? just give them less money. don't buy the update plan every year. if bitwig workflow and environment is a good thing for you just keep using it and eventually your anger will subside and in 2 years you'll be ok updating if there's new features you want and think the price is worth it.

at some point it's going to be well packed w/features and quite stable.. i mean there's already so much that can be done w/it.. just make tracks and turn off the internet for a while.

I don't get people who are unfamiliar with things like boycotts and strikes? As a consumer you have a voice, it might not matter that much, but the more people speak up, the louder that voice is. If you really love Bitwig enough to put up with this, then you're doing yourselves and others no favors by doing so. Companies and policies are subject to change, business decisions can be made that are hard to reconcile, but if a path is clear, it happens.

You either end up in an abusive relationship with a company or not, we all deal with gas companies and other products that are so embedded it will never change, or take forever, that's not at all true and shouldn't be true of the music software we use.
Seriously Putin is bullying Europe with high energy rates because he's a war monger, and we end up with broken promises from a beloved DAW developer, Bitwig team can do better than this, and they only will if people let it be known how they feel. sorry that bothers you.

[dayjob]

i get people are pissed but why quit a DAW you like using? just give them less money. don't buy the update plan every year. if bitwig workflow and environment is a good thing for you just keep using it and eventually your anger will subside and in 2 years you'll be ok updating if there's new features you want and think the price is worth it.

at some point it's going to be well packed w/features and quite stable.. i mean there's already so much that can be done w/it.. just make tracks and turn off the internet for a while.

I don't get people who are unfamiliar with things like boycotts and strikes? As a consumer you have a voice, it might not matter that much, but the more people speak up, the louder that voice is. If you really love Bitwig enough to put up with this, then you're doing yourselves and others no favors by doing so. Companies and policies are subject to change, business decisions can be made that are hard to reconcile, but if a path is clear, it happens.

You either end up in an abusive relationship with a company or not, we all deal with gas companies and other products that are so embedded it will never change, or take forever, that's not at all true and shouldn't be true of the music software we use.
Seriously Putin is bullying Europe with high energy rates because he's a war monger, and we end up with broken promises from a beloved DAW developer, Bitwig team can do better than this, and they only will if people let it be known how they feel. sorry that bothers you.

yeah yeah.. i get.. so, just don't send them any more money.. but ya already bought the thing so it's hard to boycott it. if ya like it.. keep using it.. you own it.. just keep your wallet closed.

i guess people who have another DAW can use that one if they want or they can go spend $$$ on something else that will also try to sell them add ons.. except maybe Logic but perhaps the add on is an apple computer.

if someone wants to support some interesting software for making electronic music that isn't also going to market a bunch of crap at you then check out Sunvox or Renoise...too niche perhaps.. different work flow..

everything has a cost.quit using your fav music making software (that you've already paid for and own) and that cost might be more than some people are willing pay.. so, just keep the wallet closed. use the thing that works for you.. you don't have to marry the developers and be in a shitty relationship..

but yeah.. cut your losses and blah blah blah.. go back to ableton or fruity loops or whatever.. until they cross some line in the sand and everyone shits their pants and starts a fresh search for a new DAW..

and i do agree btw that it's shitty how bitwig did this and i 100% get why people are pissed off. just make them earn it back.. speak w/your wallet. don't talk abotu bitwig on forums or in videos or whatever seems right to people.

i wish people good luck. life is short. we're all gonna die and we're floating on a rock in space w/so far no other signs of life in the universe. nothing matters. come watch TV.

edit: only just now actually read your post which is hilarious. well done. bringing in putin is relevant? ok. btw i'm not "bothered" or whatever. i just think.. i you bought a thing and love it and now you're pissed at the company for playing dirty pool then stop giving them money but might as well keep using the thing you bought. just don't give them more money. and comparing boycotting a DAW to boycotting nestle is just absurd. one is actively privatizing water sources all over the planet, has a history of selling damaging products to so called 3rd world countries. and ya know.. the other is a small software company that makes niche electronic music making software and happened to put out an add on and tried to slip that under the radar to make some money on top of the already high yearly update fee. but whatever man.. you do you... because that's pretty funny when you do.

[pdxindy]

If you really love Bitwig enough to put up with this, then you're doing yourselves and others no favors by doing so.

Actually I am doing myself a favor by continuing to use the software that I want to use. Bitwig is the most enjoyable DAW I've used.

Naturally you are free to try to convince others to your cause. That is up to each person to decide what, if anything, they want to do.

And here is what I think will happen... 4.4/5.0 will be announced soon and there will be a public beta. It will be pretty good. And then a few months after it is released, the next update will be announced. And by then, users will realize that they are still getting the same updates on their active plans that they expected to get and those updates will be of a similar size and pace as it was before this big todo. In other words, nothing much will have changed in terms of the value of updates.

At that point hindsight will show that it was never necessary to make such a big "sky is falling" deal out of it.

It may not go like that, but that is my prediction.

[machinesworking]

Naturally you are free to try to convince others to your cause. That is up to each person to decide what, if anything, they want to do.

The person I responded to asked a question.

i get people are pissed but why quit a DAW you like using? just give them less money. don't buy the update plan every year.

I get that it's probably rhetorical, but the simple fact is boycotts and strikes can work. To me it's a weird question. We're all so (or at least some of you are) neutered acting, like it's inevitable that a company act X way. That's not true at all, companies respond to pressure, NI is a great case in point, they continue to allow downloads and activations of deprecated products they attempted to delete completely from their servers, because people overwhelmingly responded to the announcement negatively.

Giving them "less" money means that they will squeeze more out of those of you that do give them money, a boycott potentially changes a business model. It's not a mystery how this works. They need revenue, their changing of the way they do business mid stream was a tone deaf way to do it. They can either atone or ignore, if they ignore they remain small, a boutique expensive DAW with revenue issues.

But I get it, you see bad business moves as their choice and are resigned to it. I see it as an indication they need to rethink their revenue model, because Update Plans don't seem to be working for them, that, is 100% how I interpret their one statement issued on charging for the spectral suite.

Think about it, it's never going to sit well with everyone what gets a paid charge and what is included in Bitwig as part of the Plan, this is going to be a problem. It's a weird and awkward position compared to any other DAW's policies.

[andypryce]

It is not about how much these add-ons are or even why add-ons.
It is all about how all of this is handled by Bitwig and the complete silent afterwards.
If you do not make your voice heard about this you have to eat what they feed you next. And next time it might hit all the defenders too.
So people speaking up are speaking for everybody, not to grab a bunch of add-ons.

[dayjob]

Naturally you are free to try to convince others to your cause. That is up to each person to decide what, if anything, they want to do.

The person I responded to asked a question.

i get people are pissed but why quit a DAW you like using? just give them less money. don't buy the update plan every year.

I get that it's probably rhetorical, but the simple fact is boycotts and strikes can work. To me it's a weird question. We're all so (or at least some of you are) neutered acting, like it's inevitable that a company act X way. That's not true at all, companies respond to pressure, NI is a great case in point, they continue to allow downloads and activations of deprecated products they attempted to delete completely from their servers, because people overwhelmingly responded to the announcement negatively.

Giving them "less" money means that they will squeeze more out of those of you that do give them money, a boycott potentially changes a business model. It's not a mystery how this works. They need revenue, their changing of the way they do business mid stream was a tone deaf way to do it. They can either atone or ignore, if they ignore they remain small, a boutique expensive DAW with revenue issues.

But I get it, you see bad business moves as their choice and are resigned to it. I see it as an indication they need to rethink their revenue model, because Update Plans don't seem to be working for them, that, is 100% how I interpret their one statement issued on charging for the spectral suite.

Think about it, it's never going to sit well with everyone what gets a paid charge and what is included in Bitwig as part of the Plan, this is going to be a problem. It's a weird and awkward position compared to any other DAW's policies.

my only point is, in this particular case, you've already bought the product, so you can use it and also boycott them if that's what a person wants. the boycott = not giving them any money. that's all there is to do. the software is still going to sit on your hard drive. so, why not use it if you like it? they aren't gaining anything from you if you use it anyways. then whenever your update plan ends and they send you an email asking you to update you can explain why you aren't updating... or whatever.

i just think most people don't have tons of free time to get on a soap box about every shitty thing that happens. though i could be wrong about that... looking at twitter.we all vote w/our money every day. i boycott lot's of stuff just out of habit and principal. i've never been in a walmart, i don't eat fast food, my car is almost 20 years old etc.

i just bought bitwig a few months ago. i'm not going to stop using it. I'm interested in exploring some of what it offers. but i won't be buying an update plan when mine runs out.. but i had planned to do that anyways.. i think the update plan is too expensive and i'm fine waiting a lot longer to update if that's what i choose to do.

[WatchTheGuitar]

I imagine there will be a number of these types of videos. If enough well known YouTubers do this kind of thing then maybe it'll count for something