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[WatchTheGuitar]

Do your own homework.

That's not how things work (apart from that I wasn't talking to you really). You claim something, you should elaborate on it. Why is it my work to comb through the EULA, when someone else says that Bitwig is violating it?

Show the part of the EULA they're violating. Or shut up.

Because it’s already been pasted in the forum you moaning minnie.

Why exactly are you here trying to yuk on people’s yum?
Bitwig agreed they’d cocked up, why can’t you let it lie?

[bharris22]

As a non-Bitwig user (yet), it does seem like this was a strange hill for the company to die on. Aren't there boatloads of multiband spectral processors in VST format? Are these devices so special that they warranted what appears to be a pretty blatant violation of their own EULA?

Could you point out the exact violation of their EULA?

Exact, no. I am quoting here from another forum:

1.3. This EULA also applies for upgrades. Upgrades include newer versions of the Final Version as well as add-ons which extend the Final Version’s functions in all editions except the Demo Edition. Without purchasing a license for a paid version of Bitwig Studio, the Demo and Trial Edition’s scope of functions cannot be extended by means of upgrades. The scope of functions of the other editions can be extended by means of upgrades. Upgrades are provided under a separate contractual agreement: they are not covered by the contractual agreement under which the User receives the Final Version. This still applies even if the upgrade is a new version of the Final Version (e.g. V 2.0).

1.4. This EULA also applies for separate Sound-Packs and Add-Ons. Sound-Packs and Add-Ons provide additional audio content and/or features to be used with the Final Version.

Again, I am not a current user of Bitwig. However, based upon my understanding of their subscription model, I think it is a fair reading of this language to believe that the version you are paying for (in other words, the Final Version, not the Demo or Trial Versions) does, in fact, include "upgrades," "Sound-Packs and Add-Ons" such as the Spectral Suite. Maybe this isn't what they meant, but if not, it is unclear at best.

[chk071]

Do your own homework.

That's not how things work (apart from that I wasn't talking to you really). You claim something, you should elaborate on it. Why is it my work to comb through the EULA, when someone else says that Bitwig is violating it?

Show the part of the EULA they're violating. Or shut up.

Because it’s already been pasted in the forum you moaning minnie.

Why exactly are you here trying to yuk on people’s yum?
Bitwig agreed they’d cocked up, why can’t you let it lie?

How about pointing me to it, Whiny Weinstein?

The only thing I found was a link to an old version of their website.

[WatchTheGuitar]

And you are yucking on the yum because?

[chk071]

And you are yucking on the yum because?

I don#t even understand what that means. Speak common English to me please. Or watch your guitar, if you're not capable to discuss something without going insulting.

[WatchTheGuitar]

And you are yucking on the yum because?

I don#t even understand what that means. Speak common English to me please. Or watch your guitar, if you're not capable to discuss something without going insultive.

Why are you seemingly distraught that Bitwig relented on this?
Are you in the pay of Big DAW?

[chk071]

Are you seriously expecting a reply to this?

Again, get back to me when you're able to discuss the topic.

[pdxindy]

As a non-Bitwig user (yet), it does seem like this was a strange hill for the company to die on. Aren't there boatloads of multiband spectral processors in VST format? Are these devices so special that they warranted what appears to be a pretty blatant violation of their own EULA?

Could you point out the exact violation of their EULA?

Over the past week, there have been discussions about the Bitwig EULA and no consensus has emerged that there was a violation.

I don't know enough about the legalities of these things to form my own opinion.

One thing I have learned from some involvement in legal proceedings is that most lay people assume that if they have a logical mind that they can then correctly interpret legal policy/documents. That is not a reliable assumption. What is legal and what makes logical sense do not always align.

[chk071]

Exactly.

Of course you could argue that you have to agree to something you are not able to understand, or interpret correctly, as a layperson, but, this whole "They violated their EULA!" stuff isn't really productive.

If you want to say "They didn't stand to what they said", that's a different story. Maybe they didn't. A lot of companies don't. I don't expect my "super premium quality" lunchmeat to be what the royals serve either.

Anyway, the main point for me is that we're not talking about some kind of scam or fraud here. This is, once again, way blown out of proportion.

[chk071]

Well, weather services don't report anything but cantastrophes these days either, so, maybe I shouldn't be surprised that there are never ending shit storms over anything either.

[bharris22]

As a non-Bitwig user (yet), it does seem like this was a strange hill for the company to die on. Aren't there boatloads of multiband spectral processors in VST format? Are these devices so special that they warranted what appears to be a pretty blatant violation of their own EULA?

Could you point out the exact violation of their EULA?

Over the past week, there have been discussions about the Bitwig EULA and no consensus has emerged that there was a violation.

I don't know enough about the legalities of these things to form my own opinion.

One thing I have learned from some involvement in legal proceedings is that most lay people assume that if they have a logical mind that they can then correctly interpret legal policy/documents. That is not a reliable assumption. What is legal and what makes logical sense do not always align.

This is certainly true. I am a lawyer, though, and it seems to me that the most reasonable reading of the language that I quoted is that "add-ons" that extend the functionality of the Final Version are included in the EULA, by its explicit terms. If they truly meant to exclude things such as the Spectral Suite - which, to my knowledge, is the first time that they have attempted to introduce a separate product like this - they should have clearly stated so in the EULA. Otherwise, what is the reference to "add-ons" in the EULA supposed to cover?

It may be that there is a reading of that language that would exclude the Spectral Suite from the EULA, but, if so, it is certainly not clear. If Bitwig was left arguing about whether the EULA language covers the Spectral Suite or doesn't, it seems to me they have already lost the battle. Presumably this is why they simply agreed to include it now.

[D-Fusion]

Well, weather services don't report anything but cantastrophes these days either, so, maybe I shouldn't be surprised that there are never ending shit storms over anything either.

Why do you keep trolling when you don't even use Bitwig?

[FotoxBr]

https://www.bitwig.com/stories/to-our-c ... C7OzzwDeec

Spectral in 4.4

Edit: Already reported in this thread before I did

[chk071]

Well, weather services don't report anything but cantastrophes these days either, so, maybe I shouldn't be surprised that there are never ending shit storms over anything either.

Why do you keep trolling when you don't even use Bitwig?

I'm not trolling, and, again, I have every right to be here.

I own Bitwig 8-Track, by the way, and have even used it. If that makes me worthy in your eyes.

If you think that I'm just trolling, and did something which violates the rules of this forum, go ahead and report me. Otherwise, remain silent. Unless you have something substantial to add to the discussion, which obviously isn't the case, otherwise you wouldn't try to attack me.

[Greenstorm33]

No need to switch! We made our voices heard, they made it right. The world turns on.