STudio one , fx buss not available as input

[gentleclockdivider]

I am still on studio one 4.7 , and it seems that I can NOT use an FX bus as input signal to record to an audio track .


When routing the instruments to the fx bus and bus using sends , it's still not available


On the studio one forum a user posted a screenshot where the fx channel is available as input source , so is this a new feature ?

[Vocalpoint Studios]

On the studio one forum a user posted a screenshot where the fx channel is available as input source , so is this a new feature?

I believe this is new in V6 - time for an upgrade...

VP

[Trancit]

Nonetheless you should be able to make it possible in 4.7 as well...if I am not mistaken...

Just create a Bus instead of the usual FX return channel by holding (I can´t remember... try out all modifiers if it doesn´t work) ALT when dropping a plugin onto the channels send section...
This enables you as well to send send returns to other sends...

[gentleclockdivider]

I mean the fx bus is not directly available as input source unlike the normal busses are .
I could get around it by sending the fxbus to a bus which then becomes available .

[Trancit]

I mean the fx bus is not directly available as input source unlike the normal busses are .
I could get around it by sending the fxbus to a bus which then becomes available .

Exactly and the reason is because you have made the FX1 a regular FX return channel which you can identify with the lack of it´s own send section which I here have marked in orange compared to the regular Bus 1:

vkY3uRq2.jpg

You can create FX returns directly as Bus channels instead of regular FX channels by holding a modifier when you drop in your case the room reverb onto the send section of the SEM track...

I cannot remember which one it was though (and don´t have S1 installed anymore)... experiment with Shift/ALT/CTRL (or corresponding on Mac) ...
Holding one of them when dropping plugins on a send section creates a real Bus channel instead of the regular FX channel and then it shall work with the routing ...

And as I wrote already this option gives you too the advantage that your FX return (now as a Bus) has it´s own send section so you can send your Delay to a Reverb or vice versa...

Imho using Busses instead of FX channels should be the default behaviour in S1... at least as a User option...

[Trancit]

Addition to my previous post... it is the ALT modifier for creating Busses instead of FX channels for send return...and this should solve your routing issue!

This video here explains the send thingie and read the first comment for this video:

[gentleclockdivider]

SO this has been adressed in 5.0 ?
I really don't see the benefit at all of using fx busses when regular busses can do it all +more

[gentleclockdivider]

I mean the fx bus is not directly available as input source unlike the normal busses are .
I could get around it by sending the fxbus to a bus which then becomes available .

Exactly and the reason is because you have made the FX1 a regular FX return channel which you can identify with the lack of it´s own send section which I here have marked in orange compared to the regular Bus 1:
vkY3uRq2.jpg

I know that , it's just strange that they don't appear is input source in the arranger .
DO youthink that the lack of an FX send in the FX busses is the reason why they don't appear as an input source ?
Just to make sure we understand each other , I am talking about the dropdown seen in the screesnshot which lacks FX buss as input .
It does not matter how I route the instrument to the fx buss, be it direct with no dry-wet option( using the dropdown menu above pan slider of the instrument ) , or using the send slider ( pre or post fader) .

[jamcat]

As of Studio One 6, FX channels have sends and are nearly identical to Bus channels, except that FX can’t load or Passthrough Mix Engine FX.

So unless you need the specific way one or the other interacts with Mix Engine FX, you can use them interchangeably now. So I would use Bus channels for submixes and FX channels for aux FX sends, just to keep things organized. But it’s now almost entirely just a matter of presentation.

What do you mean by “input source”?
In the way that Bus 1 is Track 4’s input in your image above?

Are you talking about routing an FX channel to a track in the arranger to record the FX channel’s output in real-time, like what Gregor is doing with the MASTER bus in this video?



If that’s what you're talking about, you still can’t do it Studio One 5.
I don’t know about Studio One 6.

My solution for this would be to route the FX channel’s destination to a Bus channel, and then select the Bus channel as the audio channel’s input.

[gentleclockdivider]

Are you talking about routing an FX channel to a track in the arranger to record the FX channel’s output in real-time, like what Gregor is doing with the MASTER bus in this video?


If that’s what you're talking about, you still can’t do it Studio One 5.
I don’t know about Studio One 6.

My solution for this would be to route the FX channel’s destination to a Bus channel, and then select the Bus channel as the audio channel’s input.

Yes , that's exactly what I am talking about

I am aware that fx channels don't have sends and don't have the Console shaper option.
Steps to follow what I actually mean
-Step 1 , create an instrument track
-step 2-3 , create an fx bus and a normal bus , add an insert effect on both busses .
-step 4 , route the instrument track to both the FX bus and the normal bus
CAUTION , when routing from the dropdown (located above the instrument pan slider ) , only one bus can be selected ,so instead we're going to use send slider (both in post fader mode)from the instrument to route to both the effect and nomal bus , like this .

-step 5 , insert an audio track because we want to record the wet effects signal as auido
-step 6, click on the input dropdown of the audio
Like this ,

the FX buss can not be chosen from the available options .

[Trancit]

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the FX buss can not be chosen from the available options .

Did you try if it works with using Busses as FX returns??

To my knowledge the system wasn´t changed so far and I can´t tell you what´s the reason for having by default FX channels instead of doing everything with Busses but at least you can decide yourself what you like better by just holding ALT when dropping a plugin onto the sends section of a channel...

[gentleclockdivider]

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the FX buss can not be chosen from the available options .

Did you try if it works with using Busses as FX returns??

To my knowledge the system wasn´t changed so far and I can´t tell you what´s the reason for having by default FX channels instead of doing everything with Busses but at least you can decide yourself what you like better by just holding ALT when dropping a plugin onto the sends section of a channel...

As you can see from the sceenshot , normal busses appear as a selecttio source .
I know it's just one click away to either route the fx bus in serial to another and record from that bus , but i'ts just strange why they don't appear on themselves .

[LawrenceF]

Two things will prevent it from listing:

1. If the audio track is mono the bus has to be mono, and
2. If the routing would cause a feedback loop, which is not allowed in Studio One.

fx bus.png

[jamcat]

Steps to follow what I actually mean
-Step 1 , create an instrument track
-step 2-3 , create an fx bus and a normal bus , add an insert effect on both busses .
-step 4 , route the instrument track to both the FX bus and the normal bus
CAUTION , when routing from the dropdown (located above the instrument pan slider ) , only one bus can be selected ,so instead we're going to use send slider (both in post fader mode)from the instrument to route to both the effect and nomal bus , like this .

-step 5 , insert an audio track because we want to record the wet effects signal as auido
-step 6, click on the input dropdown of the audio
Like this ,

the FX buss can not be chosen from the available options .

OK, now try these extra steps:
Step 7: Create another Bus channel (Bus 2)
Step 8: Route the destination of FX 1 to Bus 2.
Step 9: Click on the input dropdown of the audio and select Bus 2

This may not be the tidiest solution possible, but it works to achieve what you want, nonetheless.

[jamcat]

Two things will prevent it from listing:

1. If the audio track is mono the bus has to be mono, and
2. If the routing would cause a feedback loop, which is not allowed in Studio One.

Laurence, I see that is Studio One 6 in your screenshot. Is this new behaviour to version 6?