VoS ThrillseekerVBL mkII released (Win 64bit)

[scalawag]

What are the fx plugins you like to use for analogue mojo in the box?

I don't. "Analogue Mojo" is not something I care about. I've worked with analog hardware and it holds no mojo for me.

Meh.
I've never gotten the love for Bootsy's plugins. I've always felt they were more hype than substance.
All but one of them of them have been 3D plugins for me....Download, Demo, and Delete.
But some people like them so for that I am grateful to him for his contributions to the community.

You are posting this in every VoS thread. Not tired yet? What is the point of this meaningful post? Is that your own contribution?

I downloaded the newly released plugin, gave it a fair try as I have done with all of his plugins and found it to be just as uninspiring (to me) as all but one of his other plugins (some reverb I don't even remember).

Then I said "I am grateful to him for his contributions to the community" even though the plugin is not for me.

I gave my honest opinion. That was my contribution. If only positive opinions are allowed then this ceases to be a discussion forum.

I know VOS plugins have reached cult status but I've just never been a member of that cult. Sorry if that offends anyone.

Perhaps it's because I have a folder full of high quality effects plugins that I do like so finding a place among them is not easy these days.

But if you like the plugin then by all means use it and enjoy it.......

I remember there was a mix contest a few years back. Everyone that participated had to explain the plugins they used, etc, after the vote period has ended.
The majority of the mixes were done using "high quality effects plugins".
The winner used only VOS plugins, and it sounded better by a large margin.......

[jens]

What are the fx plugins you like to use for analogue mojo in the box?

I don't. "Analogue Mojo" is not something I care about. I've worked with analog hardware and it holds no mojo for me.

Meh.
I've never gotten the love for Bootsy's plugins. I've always felt they were more hype than substance.
All but one of them of them have been 3D plugins for me....Download, Demo, and Delete.
But some people like them so for that I am grateful to him for his contributions to the community.

You are posting this in every VoS thread. Not tired yet? What is the point of this meaningful post? Is that your own contribution?

I downloaded the newly released plugin, gave it a fair try as I have done with all of his plugins and found it to be just as uninspiring (to me) as all but one of his other plugins (some reverb I don't even remember).

Then I said "I am grateful to him for his contributions to the community" even though the plugin is not for me.

I gave my honest opinion. That was my contribution. If only positive opinions are allowed then this ceases to be a discussion forum.

I know VOS plugins have reached cult status but I've just never been a member of that cult. Sorry if that offends anyone.

Perhaps it's because I have a folder full of high quality effects plugins that I do like so finding a place among them is not easy these days.

But if you like the plugin then by all means use it and enjoy it.......

Of course you are allowed to post this, but the question remains why or what for you are actually doing it - you certainly must have some sort of motive, or else you wouldn't do it.

And please let me be so frank as to state the obvious:

whatever your motivation may be for posting something along these lines in various VOS threads over the years, it's clearly hogwash. And the reason why it's utter nonsense is fairly easy to explain, of course.

There is a huge variety (pun maybe intended) in the... er... various Variety of Sound stuff. Some is more subtle, some is not at all. Some is more on the pychoacoustics side of things, some is much more straight-forward dynamic processing, then there's two reverbs, a delay and so forth. What is it about the very versatile delay specifically that you do not like? And what is it on the channel strip (NastyVCS)? If you deleted these right away you should be able to give a clear statement in regards to for what reason you found them useless.

And if you can't do that then this should mean you didn't really put enough effort into testing them to even comprehend how they actually function (in detail). And if the latter is the case, then the question why you seem to feel such a dire need to keep re-stating that seems even more pressing to me.

[v1o]

I don't. "Analogue Mojo" is not something I care about. I've worked with analog hardware and it holds no mojo for me.

Maybe that's the issue. You don't like plugins that emulate analogue hardware.

Have you tried plugins from Fuse Audio and Black Rooster, and found you didn't like them?

[jens]

For example : TesslaPro Mk I/II was doing for me absolutely NOTHING, no matter how I'd tweak it. now, TesslaPRO MkIII does EVERYTHING UPON INSERTING, without me moving a single knob.

If I am not cmpletely mistaken it was Bootsie himself who said something along the lines of the Tesslas being very source-dependent and possibly not doing anything noticeable at all on some material while having a very obvious effect on other sources.

[Michey]

For example : TesslaPro Mk I/II was doing for me absolutely NOTHING, no matter how I'd tweak it. now, TesslaPRO MkIII does EVERYTHING UPON INSERTING, without me moving a single knob.

If I am not cmpletely mistaken it was Bootsie himself who said something along the lines of the Tesslas being very source-dependent and possibly not doing anything noticeable at all on some material while having a very obvious effect on other sources.

Maybe so.

But that's water under the bridge.

For me, the impact of the two new tesslas is unequivocal. one can't UNHEAR it. there is a clear sense of side info (which, admittingly, can go too far TBH) and the perception of depth (as the punch is not lost - maybe even subtly enhanced).

VBL is still a pickle for me. the gain staging is not straightforward and as such, it's not easy to make a good judgement as to the final outcome. maybe Bootsie would chime in and give his advice (and to make thing even more complicated, gain is +-0.5dB increments ONLY).

Paradoxically, one of the most revered plugins of the last few years, a plug that is supposed to be the "king of saturation" - reminded my the first experience with Tessla I/II : does NOTHING. 44/96... gain staged from [-23] to [-6]. nada. I guess all it takes is a respected engineer gracing its infos... and some prominent forum members going bananas about it. go figure.

[Teksonik]

whatever your motivation may be for posting......

What is your motivation for posting? Let me state the obvious. You simply disagree with my opinion.

Again this was a release of new version of a VOS plugin and I gave it a fair test and left my honest opinion and also thanked him for his contribution to the community. I wanted to see if this one would impress me. It didn't and it's as simple as that.

I can't help it if you got triggered by my opinion because you disagree with it and and I owe no one an explanation as to why I don't like the plugin. Everyone should try it for themselves. Maybe they'll become cult members too or simply end up deleting it as I did.

I've always found the VOS plugins to be more hype (in this case "thrilling distortion" whatever that means) than substance and if that upsets the cult members then so be it.

If he releases another new or updated plugin I'll give it a fair test as well and who knows maybe that one will have enough substance to make it into my effects folder which is already full of high quality plugins.

If it doesn't then there's a good chance I'll to leave a similar review, cult members will be triggered, and we'll be right back to where we are right at this moment.

[kPere]

Please guys get over it, there is no cult and every opinion is welcome. Let's not act like those positive only developer pages. We're all users here - why shouldn't a man share his opinion? Specially when he gave it a spin - its totally fair.

[jens]

Again this was a release of new version of a VOS plugin and I gave it a fair test and left my honest opinion

In your initial post in this thread there was just a single word that could be seen referring directly to this new plugin: "meh".

Is this your idea of an opinion? Like seriously?

If I try a plugin and it does nothing for me - for whatever reason - I delete/uninstall it an move on. There is zero point in polluting a thread about it - as if me doing so would have any value to the community WHATSOEVER or would really contain any significant infromation WHATSOEVER or if I feel I have something to say about it I may make a respective post in the thread. This will ALWAYS require at least one
actual critical statement, such as "I think the GUI is much too small", "the compression release is weird somehow", "this imo uses far too many CPU cycles for what it does" - or whatever. Something that will actually say something that might be relevant to the developer or the community. More often than not I won't post it though.

What my own motivation is?

I think your attitude stinks to high heaven; you pollute this thread because you seem to have nothing to say and keep posting the same old reply over and over again that gives others the impression that you think VOS has some kind of cult-following who are all too gullible and too dumb/deaf/clueless or whatever to realize that the plugins don't do anything worthwhile at all and you have a constant need to rub your precious wisdom in their foolish faces lest nobody fails to notice your own vast superiority.
So yeah, would you please stop? No? Thought so....


And your "at least I said thank you"? Gosh! Your ignorance is so super-respectless towards Bootsie, posts like yours might very well make him wonder why he evene bothers to share his plugins with the community.
I am certain you would thank him a lot more by just shutting the f**k up.

Think about it: (like us) he is certainly convinced that all the hard work he put into his craft - for years - totally pay-off - and then someone comes along and posts pejorative crap the way you do - critique that isn't really critique because it is bare of any actual information, statements that just say "sorry bud, still not worth being used by me; still nothing relevant whatsoever" - who are you to not see how respect- and tasteless and ignorant this is?

[Unaspected]

Are you sure you're feeling okay, Teksonik?



Is there something wrong?

It's almost as though you're producing music differently to some other people.

[ampetrosillo]

I'll give my contribution to the issue. Some (not all) VoS plugins suffer from what I would characterise as "small sound". FerricTDS makes things sound smaller, not fatter. It has this weird mid-treble "sheen" that makes things become a bit... cardboard-y (drums especially). His NastyDLA delay suffers a bit from the same problem, but it's more manageable because it's a delay, you can colour it however you wish, and it's lo-fi to start with (and I use it with little to no saturation). I do find myself using it quite often (although there are several free alternatives, such as Deelay). TesslaSE works wonders instead, for some reason, especially in transformer mode (because of the bass lift, probably) and I use it all the time on bass, and FlavourMTC is a bass-end Pultec done right (don't care too much for the treble section, though) and it's on all my mixes, both on the master bus and subgroups.

For the rest, Density works fine and I use it all the time on buses, provided you keep the colour below 11-12 o'clock or so (then it becomes midheavy and a bit congested, and again, "small" sounding), it's very useful for mid-side processing and does what it says on the tin. epicPLATE is great though, works well and is light enough. Baxter is a Baxandall topology (which I find little use for), BootEQ comes in useful due to its integrated compressor, in small doses. ThrillseekerXTC is a bit convoluted to use (I mean, it's some sort of multiband compressor/exciter/"mojo" machine and however I use it I don't seem to find a setting I really like), and I'm looking forward to try his new compressors (VBL but especially LA).

[eytanmich123]

I'll give my contribution to the issue. Some (not all) VoS plugins suffer from what I would characterise as "small sound". FerricTDS makes things sound smaller, not fatter.

This is simply not true. maybe in 44.1 but with 96 each and every one of the new updated plugins makes (or can be easily tweaked to make) an impact.

[jens]

Personally I think Ferric sounds usually best when not overdone - and it is quite easy to overdo it - when you can easily hear it, it is most probably already too much - I think it is quite similar to the T-racks tape machines in that regard.
Tape-machines - and especially high quality studio tape-machines - typically do not transform the audio in an obvious way - what they do to the program material is mostly very subtle. And if overdone, this process can do more harm than good. To really evaluate what these plugins can do, you need to put them on every track of your mix in a way that you'd be hard pressed to even tell whether they're on or not - then render the whole mix with and without, normalize both and make ABX-tests...
but it's easy to step into the trap of going for the overly obvious instead and what you then end up with is not within the bounds of the conventional useage of tape at all i.e. that way you'll never achieve the sound of tape as it has been used on all those countless music-productions you're familiar with.

[ampetrosillo]

I'll give my contribution to the issue. Some (not all) VoS plugins suffer from what I would characterise as "small sound". FerricTDS makes things sound smaller, not fatter.

This is simply not true. maybe in 44.1 but with 96 each and every one of the new updated plugins makes (or can be easily tweaked to make) an impact.

VoS plugins are oversampled. They should not have significant differences between 44.1 and 96kHz.

[ampetrosillo]

Personally I think Ferric sounds usually best when not overdone - and it is quite easy to overdo it - when you can easily hear it, it is most probably already too much - I think it is quite similar to the T-racks tape machines in that regard.
Tape-machines - and especially high quality studio tape-machines - typically do not transform the audio in an obvious way - what they do to the program material is mostly very subtle. And if overdone, this process can do more harm than good. To really evaluate what these plugins can do, you need to put them on every track of your mix in a way that you'd be hard pressed to even tell whether they're on or not - then render the whole mix with and without, normalize both and make ABX-tests...
but it's easy to step into the trap of going for the overly obvious instead and what you then end up with is not within the bounds of the conventional useage of tape at all i.e. that way you'll never achieve the sound of tape as it has been used on all those countless music-productions you're familiar with.

The thing is, the effect I get with FerricTDS is less pleasing than most of the other tape machine emulations (free or otherwise) Itve tried.

[jens]

That's very well possible. TBH these days I religiously use the IK 24 on every track so I actually lack the experience to make such a verdict. My comment was rather meant as a general observation than a direct reply to your statement regarding Ferric.