Strymon Big Sky Plugin

[vurt]

Oh, what I totally forgot in my writing above is that, in the Gearspace discussion, the most frequent criticism about software reverbs I heard is that they sound somewhat separated from the dry signal, which I can confirm with some reverbs I tested. Some reverbs glue magically, while others just sound separated, artifical and off. Scientifically spoken. And some sound like a bathroom, no matter what you do. But, I wouldn't even name those in a serious discussion about that, because, mostly, those reverbs aren't highly regarded anyway.

true bypass on the dry
yup, cant get that in a plug in no matter how good, there will always be latency on the dry signal even.
most important on guitars for me personally, as its about the sound as you strike the string, if theres too much latency, you trip over yourself.

[Modular Manfred]

Who are you fooling? Have you ever used a hardware reverb?

Whether Strymon or Valhalla sound better is a matter of taste (and probably how you're using it) and there's no point in arguing about it.

(Though one comment elsewhere was pretty insightful: Big Sky nails the sound of 90s shoegaze exactly. If you're using synths and doing something else, maybe Valhalla is the better option.)

But think about it: you're claiming that Valhalla "sounds like a plugin" and Strymon sounds better because it's hardware... and using that to justify why a Strymon plugin is better than Valhalla plugins.

You don't even have to know that Big Sky pedal is DSP running inside a little computer for the logical fallacy to be obvious.

Just because the pedal is DSP running inside a little computer it can still sound like a hardware reverb for the reasons I’ve written above? Like there are a few plugins that just as well sound like a hardware reverb? But Supermassive is not one of them. The Strymon plugin is.

Ohh wait.. The 480 is just DSP running inside a medium sized box… What am I arguing about. I sincerely apologise.

[perpetual3]

Even with plugin delay compensation?

Oh, what I totally forgot in my writing above is that, in the Gearspace discussion, the most frequent criticism about software reverbs I heard is that they sound somewhat separated from the dry signal, which I can confirm with some reverbs I tested. Some reverbs glue magically, while others just sound separated, artifical and off. Scientifically spoken. And some sound like a bathroom, no matter what you do. But, I wouldn't even name those in a serious discussion about that, because, mostly, those reverbs aren't highly regarded anyway.

true bypass on the dry
yup, cant get that in a plug in no matter how good, there will always be latency on the dry signal even.
most important on guitars for me personally, as its about the sound as you strike the string, if theres too much latency, you trip over yourself.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Valhalla Supermassive comes with 16 different algorithms, and the damn plugin is free and sounds better than the Big Sky plugin. SMH.

No, it doesn’t. It sounds like a plugin.

I hold a lot of respect for the Valhalla developer and by no means his products are amazing. But come on mate. Who are you fooling? Have you ever used a hardware reverb?

Strymon is 4x the price of Valhalla and let me reassure you that it sounds at least 4x better as well, if your measurement is how a hardware reverb behaves in a mix, even though taste in sound is subjective.

I hate these metaphors but Valhalla is like a VW (Someone else has said it here before me so I’m not taking credit). VW is really great value, right? Not the most expensive car, not cheap either, reliable, popular. Happy days. And most people can afford it. These people will look at all the Audi and Merc owners and think why spend £70k on a car when you can have a decent VW for £15k. But in reality they think ‘Man if I could afford it’. Because a Q7 is arguably better than a Golf, right? - Which in this example would be the Strymon. I know this is an awkward example because Audi is owned by VW.
And then you have those who can afford the Bentleys. Or Astons. Or Ferraris. What have you. I’m of course talking Bout the vintage Lexicons and Eventides and AMS. That no plugin can touch as of today.

The point is that there is no point because it doesn’t matter. You can make good music with the Valhallas. And just because you use hardware you won’t be a better musician. But let’s stay realistic with what actually sounds better and why.

This is definitely trolling. Whether intentional or not is another matter entirely, but the result is the same.

Move right along. Nothing to see here. Keep it moving folks, there's nothing to see here.

To the OP: if you really believe this, bless your heart.

[jens]

Valhalla Supermassive comes with 16 different algorithms, and the damn plugin is free and sounds better than the Big Sky plugin. SMH.

No, it doesn’t. It sounds like a plugin.

Ah, interesting - so hardware sounds better than plugins, right?

I guess that means the Big Sky plugin sounds inferior to the hardware Big Sky then...


Guys, you heard Manfred: this plugin ain't worth it - after all it's just a plugin and thus sounds like a plugin - get the hardware instead - that's the real deal!

Or of course you could also get this:

https://schneidersladen.de/en/valhalla- ... cardtridge

Just ask Manfred - it's hardware - thus much better than V³


Thanks for the insight Manfred! It's always great to have people around who really know what they talk about!

[ReverendLove]

The Eventide H9 plugins sound exactly the same like their hardware implementation.
You can port and algorithm using system near language like C, C++ doing exactly the same.
The reason why Nord, Waldorf etc. could not be replicated still are their code and algorithms known only by — their developers.
That is the simple reason why all proprietary programmed devices and plug-ins sound different.
But I am pretty sure the bigSky plugd-in sounds exactly the same like the hardware.. The only difference ate the ADCs and DACs of the sound interface and possible interferences on the hardware (cables, plugs, ground loops. Anything else is voodoo talk.

[jens]

The Eventide H9 plugins sound exactly the same like their hardware implementation.

Did You not read what Manfred told us?

[Modular Manfred]

Valhalla Supermassive comes with 16 different algorithms, and the damn plugin is free and sounds better than the Big Sky plugin. SMH.

No, it doesn’t. It sounds like a plugin.

I hold a lot of respect for the Valhalla developer and by no means his products are amazing. But come on mate. Who are you fooling? Have you ever used a hardware reverb?

Strymon is 4x the price of Valhalla and let me reassure you that it sounds at least 4x better as well, if your measurement is how a hardware reverb behaves in a mix, even though taste in sound is subjective.

I hate these metaphors but Valhalla is like a VW (Someone else has said it here before me so I’m not taking credit). VW is really great value, right? Not the most expensive car, not cheap either, reliable, popular. Happy days. And most people can afford it. These people will look at all the Audi and Merc owners and think why spend £70k on a car when you can have a decent VW for £15k. But in reality they think ‘Man if I could afford it’. Because a Q7 is arguably better than a Golf, right? - Which in this example would be the Strymon. I know this is an awkward example because Audi is owned by VW.
And then you have those who can afford the Bentleys. Or Astons. Or Ferraris. What have you. I’m of course talking Bout the vintage Lexicons and Eventides and AMS. That no plugin can touch as of today.

The point is that there is no point because it doesn’t matter. You can make good music with the Valhallas. And just because you use hardware you won’t be a better musician. But let’s stay realistic with what actually sounds better and why.

This is definitely trolling. Whether intentional or not is another matter entirely, but the result is the same.

Move right along. Nothing to see here. Keep it moving folks, there's nothing to see here.

To the OP: if you really believe this, bless your heart.

Since when holding an opinion is trolling? With your logic the OP could have been trolling as well and I just defended the case? Nowadays if you are trying to prove a point it’s called trolling? He says Supermassive sounds better than the Strymon Plugin. I say the Strymon plugin sounds better than Supermassive, by even saying how amazing Valhalla actually is, in other respects.

There comes you screaming a troll. What about holding a constructive conversation about why and in what scenarios it’s worth getting the Strymon plugin for the premium price and in what scenarios a free plugin like Supermassive or any other paid plugin is better suited for the work?

[ReverendLove]

The Eventide H9 plugins sound exactly the same like their hardware implementation.

Did You not read what Manfred told us?

I'd rather trust In Plug-in Doctor and my ears.

[jens]

Since when holding an opinion is trolling? With your logic the OP could have been trolling as well and I just defended the case? Nowadays if you are trying to prove a point it’s called trolling? He says Supermassive sounds better than the Strymon Plugin. I say the Strymon plugin sounds better than Supermassive, by even saying how amazing Valhalla actually is, in other respects.

There comes you screaming a troll. What about holding a constructive conversation about why and in what scenarios it’s worth getting the Strymon plugin for the premium price and in what scenarios a free plugin like Supermassive or any other paid plugin is better suited for the work?

Nope, not trolling - just an insanely absurd and stupid argument. God just erased the term "logic" from all dictionaries because of your post.

[pekbro]

The fact of the matter is: It's impossible to rub plugins all over yours or someone else's nekkid body and roll around on them.

[Modular Manfred]

The Eventide H9 plugins sound exactly the same like their hardware implementation.

Did You not read what Manfred told us?

Nope, you didn’t read it. Manfred says their plugin is spot on with their dsp in their little box even considering the conversion. Because Manfred tested it.

[jens]

I was making fun of you. But it's okay - I didn't expect you to get it.

[ReverendLove]

People talking of them self in the third person… I knew this would happen…

[chk071]

Might happen if you talk in third person to them when they're present.