Strymon Big Sky Plugin

[_leras]

Not sure I agree with that one - IMO iLok probably looses a company substantial sales due to how many people refuse to use such a c/p.

At the price point this is not particularly appealing to the 'hobbyist' so who knows, perhaps that was a reason for the iLok?

Didn't mean to get into the whole c/p thing again.....

Well, many on KVR are set against iLok, any copy protection, even UAD plugs that needed the hardware. I always put that down to the lack of freely available copies to be honest...

I'm not sure this price point is really so high for a high quality reverb. (Altiverb is €499, UAD are £260)

I've never had a problem with my iLok.

[WatchTheGuitar]

I'm not sure this price point is really so high for a high quality reverb. (Altiverb is €499, UAD are £260)

think most would compare the plugin’s price to the hardware Big Sky which can be had for around twice the price of the plugin new. It’s not like it’s ten times more than you’d expect, it’s just at the pricier end of single effect purchases.

[Agreed]

feed them oat/hay.

donkey oat/hay available at all good pet shops and windmills.

I love this post

[zerocrossing]

well - I would say this has 12 algos and its very very good and underrated...
https://www.audiority.com/shop/xenoverb/
45$

not happy with Strymon choice but what can I say...
they make amazing stuff.

I posted this earlier- it's on sale at the moment audio deluxe- I just paid £22 for it and V1.4 is CLAP.

I just did a side by side, and Xenoverb sounds like $22 vs $200 when compared to Big Sky.

[Scotty]

I'm not sure this price point is really so high for a high quality reverb. (Altiverb is €499, UAD are £260)

think most would compare the plugin’s price to the hardware Big Sky which can be had for around twice the price of the plugin new. It’s not like it’s ten times more than you’d expect, it’s just at the pricier end of single effect purchases.

It depends on your price sensitivity. $200 USD for a plugin version of a hardware box that sells for $479 USD seems very pricy to me. I own all the UAD-2 reverbs but never paid the full price for them usually about 50% of asking (bundles) and rarely use them now as I have better alternatives from other Vendors. The days of spending $200 on a single plugin unless it does something very special are over for me. Soothe and Gullfoss were the last single plugins that I puchased in that price tier.

[Dencheg]

You need iLok for Eventide, Sonnox, UVI, Softube, Soundtoys etc, now Moog and Stymon …Way too much good stuff uses iLok so for me its unavoidable.

I'd put it this way: lots of good and amazing devs don't use it, so for me it's avoidable.
Positive thinking!

[vitocorleone123]

well - I would say this has 12 algos and its very very good and underrated...
https://www.audiority.com/shop/xenoverb/
45$

not happy with Strymon choice but what can I say...
they make amazing stuff.

I posted this earlier- it's on sale at the moment audio deluxe- I just paid £22 for it and V1.4 is CLAP.

I just did a side by side, and Xenoverb sounds like $22 vs $200 when compared to Big Sky.

True. You can get some good and interesting reverb from Xeboverb with some exploration, but it’s not comparable overall.

Then again, I compare Big Sky to Cinematic Rooms Pro, and the same thing holds true: Big Sky sounds like $200 (or less) compared to the $400 CRP (in the areas of overlap, which is generally the only ones I care about, as the special FX of the Big Sky haven’t ever thrilled my ears).

I think Meris should follow suit with plugins as chips continue to be tricky. $99 for the Mercury 7. But Polymoon is their best, most unique pedal.

[WatchTheGuitar]

I'm not sure this price point is really so high for a high quality reverb. (Altiverb is €499, UAD are £260)

think most would compare the plugin’s price to the hardware Big Sky which can be had for around twice the price of the plugin new. It’s not like it’s ten times more than you’d expect, it’s just at the pricier end of single effect purchases.

It depends on your price sensitivity. $200 USD for a plugin version of a hardware box that sells for $479 USD seems very pricy to me. I own all the UAD-2 reverbs but never paid the full price for them usually about 50% of asking (bundles) and rarely use them now as I have better alternatives from other Vendors. The days of spending $200 on a single plugin unless it does something very special are over for me. Soothe and Gullfoss were the last single plugins that I puchased in that price tier.

The point for me also with hardware is I know if times get tough or I fancy a change I can sell it for something approaching the purchase price, especially as I buy most kit secondhand now. Just can’t guarantee that with software. Strymon or their resellers won’t just turn around one day and start selling the hardware at 50% off, but that happens all the time with software.

[rezoneight]

I'm not sure this price point is really so high for a high quality reverb. (Altiverb is €499, UAD are £260)

think most would compare the plugin’s price to the hardware Big Sky which can be had for around twice the price of the plugin new. It’s not like it’s ten times more than you’d expect, it’s just at the pricier end of single effect purchases.

It depends on your price sensitivity. $200 USD for a plugin version of a hardware box that sells for $479 USD seems very pricy to me. I own all the UAD-2 reverbs but never paid the full price for them usually about 50% of asking (bundles) and rarely use them now as I have better alternatives from other Vendors. The days of spending $200 on a single plugin unless it does something very special are over for me. Soothe and Gullfoss were the last single plugins that I puchased in that price tier.

Of course its far easier to run multiple VSTs than multiple stomp boxes. That $200 gets me as many as I want/need and a hell of a lot more flexibility. The $479 gets me one piece of hardware that’s a hell of a lot harder to fit into my setup.

[elxsound]

Not sure I agree with that one - IMO iLok probably looses a company substantial sales due to how many people refuse to use such a c/p.

At the price point this is not particularly appealing to the 'hobbyist' so who knows, perhaps that was a reason for the iLok?

Didn't mean to get into the whole c/p thing again.....

Well, many on KVR are set against iLok, any copy protection, even UAD plugs that needed the hardware. I always put that down to the lack of freely available copies to be honest...

I'm not sure this price point is really so high for a high quality reverb. (Altiverb is €499, UAD are £260)

I've never had a problem with my iLok.

For Altiverb, you’re paying for the captured spaces

I still don’t think BigSky is a superior reverb in the plug-in market. That’s just my opinion.

[WatchTheGuitar]

Of course its far easier to run multiple VSTs than multiple stomp boxes. That $200 gets me as many as I want/need and a hell of a lot more flexibility. The $479 gets me one piece of hardware that’s a hell of a lot harder to fit into my setup.

I have a Mercury 7, I just set up an audio FX bus in a DAW and send multiple tracks to that bus to get processed so you have a common reverb output track, but I get there may be times where you’d want a specific reverb effect on one specific track so would have to process it separately and bounce after. It’s marginally more hassle than pure in the box software, but if you’re recording playing live and want to monitor with reverb then latency compensation is less of a hassle.

[_leras]

It depends on your price sensitivity. $200 USD for a plugin version of a hardware box that sells for $479 USD seems very pricy to me. I own all the UAD-2 reverbs but never paid the full price for them usually about 50% of asking (bundles) and rarely use them now as I have better alternatives from other Vendors. The days of spending $200 on a single plugin unless it does something very special are over for me. Soothe and Gullfoss were the last single plugins that I puchased in that price tier.

Well, I agree. Although $200 maybe be a consistent price with other reverbs considering it has 12 modes, it doesn't make it 'cheqp' when many other plug ins can be had for $30.

(I also don't recall paying full price for any UAD reverb)

(Altiverb also is very much an edge case. If you were doing post production for movies it would probably be an essential tool. For music probably less need for 'real' spaces.

[Niowiad]

At 240€ on Thomann it's about 4x what I'm willing to pay for "pedalboard effect" plugins nowadays.
It definitely sounds great, judging by the demos on YT, but I don't feel a need for any of those specific algorithm, considering all the stuff I already bought.

One interesting takeaway though
I always thought the "CHORALE" label on the pedal was referring to some (heavily) chorused reverb algorithm, but now that the GUI shows the algo-specific parameters I realize it was a reference to the human choir.
I've played a lot with feedback loops and reverb in the past but never ever thought about formant filters, and that's a great idea

[SLiC]

Well, I agree. Although $200 maybe be a consistent price with other reverbs considering it has 12 modes, it doesn't make it 'cheqp' when many other plug ins can be had for $30.

A lot of those 30-50 buck plugins offer just 1 or 2 of the 12 types of reverb machines with BS...With Eventide for example reverbs like Spring, Shimmer, Plate, Hall etc are all separate purchase, same with Valhalla.

I guess Strymon could have split this in to 5-6 separate reverb VSTs for 30-50 bucks a pop, but I am personally glad they didn't.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

...Spring, Shimmer, Plate, Hall etc are all separate purchase, same with Valhalla.

I keep seeing the Valhalla comparisons (because it's reverb, so yeah, kind of makes sense) but Valhalla isn't 1 algorithm per product like Eventide. Shimmer is their only plugin that does that...I guess you could make the case Plate only does Plates, but they're still different ones.

Allow me to cross-post from Gearspace...

ValhallaVintageVerb - 19 algorithms (a variety of types) - $50
ValhallaRoom - 12 algorithms (not just rooms) - $50
ValhallaShimmer - let's call this 1 algorithm - $50
ValhallaPlate - 12 algorithms (ok, these are just plates) - $50
ValhallaSuperMassive - 16 algorithms (lots of sounds to be had here) - Free

Cost: $200 for 60 algorithms. Price per algorithm: $3.30! If you leave out SuperMassive, that's 44 algorithms for $200, which is $4.54 per algorithm.

Strymon Big Sky - 12 algorithms for $199. Price per algorithm: $16.58.

They're different products. The Strymon verbs don't sound like Valhalla's and vice versa. The Strymon is on the pricier end of the spectrum. I'm sure they'll still be very successful with it and I hope to see more.