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rhye999 · Post by **rhye999** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:12 pm

Izotope's Vocal Doubler is native

kidslow · Post by **kidslow** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:32 pm

I am going to assume the new Apple macOS Ventura still supports Rosetta. Anyone hear any word when Rosetta2 support will be deprecated? If they haven't said anything, assuming at least good until the next-next named OS release, since they tend to give plenty of notice. At least they did with the original Rosetta and 32-bit support.

JonathanLevine · Post by **JonathanLevine** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:47 pm

kidslow wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:32 pm I am going to assume the new Apple macOS Ventura still supports Rosetta. Anyone hear any word when Rosetta2 support will be deprecated? If they haven't said anything, assuming at least good until the next-next named OS release, since they tend to give plenty of notice. At least they did with the original Rosetta and 32-bit support.

I don’t think Rosetta 2 is going to get depreciated until macOS 15 at the earliest. Lord knows how long it’s already taken so many companies to get their sh*t together and get their stuff updated to Apple Silicon. They’ll probably give a notice in macOS 14 that Rosetta 2 won’t last forever like they did with macOS Mojave and 32-bit app support.

medienhexer · Post by **medienhexer** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:28 pm

kidslow wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:32 pm I am going to assume the new Apple macOS Ventura still supports Rosetta. Anyone hear any word when Rosetta2 support will be deprecated? If they haven't said anything, assuming at least good until the next-next named OS release, since they tend to give plenty of notice. At least they did with the original Rosetta and 32-bit support.

5 years after they stop selling the last intel Mac. That would be the Mac Pro.

kidslow · Post by **kidslow** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:19 pm

JonathanLevine wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:47 pm I don’t think Rosetta 2 is going to get depreciated until macOS 15 at the earliest. Lord knows how long it’s already taken so many companies to get their sh*t together and get their stuff updated to Apple Silicon. They’ll probably give a notice in macOS 14 that Rosetta 2 won’t last forever like they did with macOS Mojave and 32-bit app support.

Fully agreed, and that's how I would see it go down. If a vendor has not ported to M1 native by the time of any announcement when Rosetta2 will be deprecated, it will be safe to assume they will not ever.

medienhexer wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:28 pm 5 years after they stop selling the last intel Mac. That would be the Mac Pro.

You're talking about the 2019 Xeons? Those are due for a refresh. Would be fine by me but I won't hold you to it. I think sooner.

Tronam · Post by **Tronam** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:44 pm

5 years is probably long enough, deprecating Rosetta in 2025. By that time any app not yet updated probably wouldn’t have in the first place and is likely already abandonware.

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:30 pm

Is the Lindel stuff from PA still not m1 native?

asstudioton · Post by **asstudioton** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:42 am

Mid 2023

Atlatnesiti · Post by **Atlatnesiti** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:51 am

teilo wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:22 am I know I'm running behind. Hope to get caught up this week.

Yes, we understand - “CLAP’ed” out, are we..?

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:27 pm

revvy wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:08 am To be clear on ujam, the following are Apple Silicone native:

Sparkle 2, Hype, Dope 2, Kandy, Hustle 2, Glory, Void, Eden 2, Nemesis, Vice, Idol, Rico, Beserk, HOT.

Those are all Beatmaker.

revvy · Post by **revvy** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:33 pm

teilo wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:27 pm
revvy wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:08 am To be clear on ujam, the following are Apple Silicone native:

Sparkle 2, Hype, Dope 2, Kandy, Hustle 2, Glory, Void, Eden 2, Nemesis, Vice, Idol, Rico, Beserk, HOT.
Those are all Beatmaker.

Dunno what that means

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:57 pm

kidslow wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:32 pm I am going to assume the new Apple macOS Ventura still supports Rosetta. Anyone hear any word when Rosetta2 support will be deprecated? If they haven't said anything, assuming at least good until the next-next named OS release, since they tend to give plenty of notice. At least they did with the original Rosetta and 32-bit support.

Everything is speculative at this point. Even the assumption that they will ever remove it is speculative. There are good reasons for them to keep it. One such reason is Wine/Crossover, which allows Intel Windows apps to run without a VM or OS.

People will try to compare Rosetta2 to Rosetta, but they are apples and oranges. The original Rosetta was slow because it was done via emulation and required memory translation due to the different endianness. There was also no ecosystem of PowerPC apps outside of Mac which they could support. Rosetta2 is cross-compiled, crazy fast, and allows Windows apps to run.

kidslow · Post by **kidslow** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:22 pm

You're right it is speculation, but Apple is one of the more ruthless companies about deprecating functionality when it no longer suits their purposes (i.e. selling hardware), so the odds are in favor of eventually losing Rosetta2.

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:28 pm

kidslow wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:22 pm You're right it is speculation, but Apple is one of the more ruthless companies about deprecating functionality when it no longer suits their purposes (i.e. selling hardware), so the odds are in favor of eventually losing Rosetta2.

My speculation is that they will eventually remove it, but will keep it around for much longer than Rosetta1. At that point, we will need to rely upon Windows Arm's built-in binary translation, in a VM. For the record, I run Windows 11 in Parallels, and it's own Arm-to-x64 translation is impressively fast. For example, I can run Portal 2 at a decent framerate, with no stuttering. Not at full Retina resolution, but high enough that it doesn't matter much.

medienhexer · Post by **medienhexer** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:39 pm

kidslow wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:19 pm
JonathanLevine wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:47 pm I don’t think Rosetta 2 is going to get depreciated until macOS 15 at the earliest. Lord knows how long it’s already taken so many companies to get their sh*t together and get their stuff updated to Apple Silicon. They’ll probably give a notice in macOS 14 that Rosetta 2 won’t last forever like they did with macOS Mojave and 32-bit app support.
Fully agreed, and that's how I would see it go down. If a vendor has not ported to M1 native by the time of any announcement when Rosetta2 will be deprecated, it will be safe to assume they will not ever.

medienhexer wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:28 pm 5 years after they stop selling the last intel Mac. That would be the Mac Pro.
You're talking about the 2019 Xeons? Those are due for a refresh. Would be fine by me but I won't hold you to it. I think sooner.

No, if rumours are true, the Mac Pro will get the M2 treatment this year. So I'm pretty sure (going by how long Apple usually supports hardware before declaring it legacy), the intel Mac Pro will be supported for 5 - 6 years, depending on how many features they can't implement on the hardware.

And since in this case, Rosetta 2 is part of support, my guess is they will update Rosetta for 5 - 6 years, which would be anywhere in between end of 2027 and summer of 2029.

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