Synergy of several DAW like Ableton + FL + Logic Stuido?
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 22 Oct, 2022
Hello
I have question about DAW.
I starting journey with DAW after 1 year learning play piano, and have question:
- I made research, and readed all popular links about DAW on the internet, I know that DAW is only tool, and thinking about which DAW is better has nonsense.
- I thinking that popular approach is using in one project two DAW or is nonsense?
This appraoch have sense? At the moment I working on Ableton, but thinking also learning FL Studio.
I have question about DAW.
I starting journey with DAW after 1 year learning play piano, and have question:
- I made research, and readed all popular links about DAW on the internet, I know that DAW is only tool, and thinking about which DAW is better has nonsense.
- I thinking that popular approach is using in one project two DAW or is nonsense?
This appraoch have sense? At the moment I working on Ableton, but thinking also learning FL Studio.
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- KVRAF
- 5144 posts since 3 Oct, 2013
hi,
depending on what you miss from AL, I would check https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/DAW-Chart.html with the preferred weighting
there was a subDAW voting on this website 20 years ago
https://sleepfreaks-dtm.com/en/dtm-mate ... w-ranking/
Cubase has chord track with chord notes highlighting so can be used comfy for creating slight variations(if have the initial idea) after the result can be dropped to Bitwig for sound designing then back to Cubase(with the stems) for mixing but there are many possible options as can be seen above
depending on what you miss from AL, I would check https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/DAW-Chart.html with the preferred weighting
there was a subDAW voting on this website 20 years ago
https://sleepfreaks-dtm.com/en/dtm-mate ... w-ranking/composing/sound designing/mixing separation works for me using Cubase>Bitwig>Cubase loopingIn addition, some notable ways in which sub DAW relate to each main DAW are shown below:
Pro Tools is often used together with Studio One/Logic
Studio One may be often used with Cubase for its mastering capabilities
A trend exists where Maschine is used together with Logic/FL Studio/Live
Another trend exists where Maschine is used with Logic/FL Studio/Live
With the ending of Sonar, many users most likely switched over to Cubase/StudioOne
GarageBand which comes for free with a Mac is often used with Logic as expected (or GarageBand is upgraded to Logic)
KORG Gadget is often used with Live for it’s unique synth sounds
These are some of the observations that were made.
Cubase has chord track with chord notes highlighting so can be used comfy for creating slight variations(if have the initial idea) after the result can be dropped to Bitwig for sound designing then back to Cubase(with the stems) for mixing but there are many possible options as can be seen above
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat
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- KVRian
- 613 posts since 15 Mar, 2022
Whether you'd want FL Studio and Ableton is really something only time and your own preferences can figure out.
However, based on your question, if you say you're "thinking also learning FL Studio", I'd say it's a waste of time to "learn" another DAW. It won't improve your music production skills to have multiple DAWs.
However, based on your question, if you say you're "thinking also learning FL Studio", I'd say it's a waste of time to "learn" another DAW. It won't improve your music production skills to have multiple DAWs.
- addled muppet weed
- 111294 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
it's annoying, takes time, but demoing them all is the only way to know tbh.
you read about all the different hosts and features, they all sound exciting and fun. however, when you start working you really tend to use a minimum amount of features really, with some being used rarely and some you find no use whatsoever for.
so you may think you need features from live, but after playing with fruity for a while realise you can get all your ideas out with that. (or vice versa or add any other host)
most of all don't be afraid to ask for help, to get you the best out of whichever you choose and enjoy the journey
you read about all the different hosts and features, they all sound exciting and fun. however, when you start working you really tend to use a minimum amount of features really, with some being used rarely and some you find no use whatsoever for.
so you may think you need features from live, but after playing with fruity for a while realise you can get all your ideas out with that. (or vice versa or add any other host)
most of all don't be afraid to ask for help, to get you the best out of whichever you choose and enjoy the journey
- KVRAF
- 9563 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
As a beginner you would only work with one. Try several and take the one which inspires you most, the one which gets you in a creative state. Stick to it and learn it profoundly. Different DAWs have different strengths, but if you just started, they can all cover any beginners need. If you do have friends also working with a DAW, or there is a specific user group in your area, it is helpful to get introduced by them.
All DAWs can do all tasks in general…
All DAWs can do all tasks in general…
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- KVRian
- 1281 posts since 3 Jan, 2020
I would spend some time with your primary DAW and produce music. At some point, you'll notice that you're doing the same things over and over again.
Figure out which of those tasks take up most of your time and then go looking for DAWs which do these things faster. If there's a way to do that task quicker in another DAW and transfer that result into your main DAW, it's worth getting the other DAW.
If everything else works well too in your new DAW, it might be worth switching completely. That's how to do things if you're looking for efficiency.
From a creative perspective, it's always fun to look at how users of other DAWs approach their projects and which tools they use. I often get new ideas from learning a new DAW that I then transfer to my main DAW. Sometimes my main DAW supports them out of the box, and sometimes I need to buy a VST that enables the workflow.
But if you're just starting out, I would stick with one DAW. Pick one that has tutorials from people who make music similar to the music you want to produce so you can find fitting courses/tutorials.
Figure out which of those tasks take up most of your time and then go looking for DAWs which do these things faster. If there's a way to do that task quicker in another DAW and transfer that result into your main DAW, it's worth getting the other DAW.
If everything else works well too in your new DAW, it might be worth switching completely. That's how to do things if you're looking for efficiency.
From a creative perspective, it's always fun to look at how users of other DAWs approach their projects and which tools they use. I often get new ideas from learning a new DAW that I then transfer to my main DAW. Sometimes my main DAW supports them out of the box, and sometimes I need to buy a VST that enables the workflow.
But if you're just starting out, I would stick with one DAW. Pick one that has tutorials from people who make music similar to the music you want to produce so you can find fitting courses/tutorials.
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- KVRist
- 213 posts since 28 Aug, 2021
I do use Ableton Live + Studio One
Produce in Ableton Live and do the mixing in Studio One.
Produce in Ableton Live and do the mixing in Studio One.
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wilkins_micawber wilkins_micawber https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=497291
- KVRist
- 115 posts since 21 Feb, 2021
As a previous user of FL Studio, I would suggest to instead get Bitwig. It has a faster workflow and can do all of the same things (except perhaps some esoteric Patcher patches) I'm not sure whether Harmor and Sytrus vst files only come with a certain version of FL Studio or not, but these are the main benefits. These are top-class vsts. Native pitch correction is also useful within FL Studio, but bx_crispy tuner is an adequate replacement and can be had on deep sale for really cheap. The Edison audio file editor is really amazing in FL Studio as well, but I find that Bitwig's audio editing features are good enough. I think that, coming off Ableton, you will be very impressed with Bitwig and frustrated with FL Studio.
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- KVRian
- 898 posts since 26 Jul, 2018 from Germany
My advice would be try to focus on Live. It's better to learn one DAW properly, than scratch the surface of two DAWs.ablBadle wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 10:28 amAt the moment I working on Ableton, but thinking also learning FL Studio.
I separate between composing/producing and mixing, but everything in Ableton Live.
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- KVRAF
- 5144 posts since 3 Oct, 2013
I've played a bit MuLab plugin in Logic just to see its modulation capabilities and really nice one
I would definitely use this combo instead of FL, it doesn't have .au plugin so need a wrapper like BC Patchwork but it is able to reopen the previously opened plugins so isn't a big pain, Logic hasn't got FL Patcher like modulation framework so it's very handy in it ... a perfect "DAW Synergy"
ps. and Logic looks cool with FL skin anyway even better than the real thing
I would definitely use this combo instead of FL, it doesn't have .au plugin so need a wrapper like BC Patchwork but it is able to reopen the previously opened plugins so isn't a big pain, Logic hasn't got FL Patcher like modulation framework so it's very handy in it ... a perfect "DAW Synergy"
ps. and Logic looks cool with FL skin anyway even better than the real thing
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat
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- KVRAF
- 9146 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
All DAWs nowadays are very capable of producing whatever music you want. We are just very spoiled people and have nothing else to do except comparing 
In general, the best DAW for you is the best one you know it well. If you learn two DAWs, you will get stuck (or keep jumping) with these two. If you want to waste your time (like me) learn them all and spend all your money buying them and have nothing to (or almost nothing) to produce
If you want to be serious about music production, learn one DAW and treat music making like a serious work you have to finish. If you want to have fun and spend good time with those tools, then don't limit yourself. Just my humble (or not!) opinion
In general, the best DAW for you is the best one you know it well. If you learn two DAWs, you will get stuck (or keep jumping) with these two. If you want to waste your time (like me) learn them all and spend all your money buying them and have nothing to (or almost nothing) to produce
If you want to be serious about music production, learn one DAW and treat music making like a serious work you have to finish. If you want to have fun and spend good time with those tools, then don't limit yourself. Just my humble (or not!) opinion
Using: Cubase Pro 15, Reason 13, Tascam US-4x4HR, MODX6, DM12D, LaunchKey 49, Yamaha guitar(Pacifica 612v) and bass (BB234) and some virtual instruments and synths.