Is the Virtual Instrument era over?

[kevvvvv]

@Chr!s
I find, specifically with the orchestra, that most libraries require about two tracks since there is generally a total lack of context in sampling between short notes and long notes, and the longs rarely have adjustable attacks, so you more often than not are forced to layer.

So true.

Could AI improve this with more predictive scripting in Kontakt or a super player?

[tony10000]

With the AI hype, I think we will see more and more innovation as far as AI does a lot of the work / creative process. I figure it will really boil down to user experience / interface more than new mind blowing deep as hell features.

The more AI has to do with my music the less I will ever consider it. It's mine All mine mwah ha ha ha ! Seriously.. the entire point of making music for me is enjoying what I can do myself or with others if I was to choose to so. Discovery, enjoyment advancement of sonic knowledge, making mistakes and learning. AI can take a running jump. All the AI stuff I have heard or seen is complete and utter trash. It's a fad.

It's like some bad religion, new tech must be better BS. Proved wrong over and again.

I do like and use some of the generative tools such as the HY Sequencers, Riffer, Stepic, and Stochas. I also like what Polarity and State Azure do with generative tools.

[vurt]

Hasten the demise of VI? Pulease, absolute nonsense.

Urs said that VCs would hasten the DEMISE OF VIs? You’re shitting me, really?

Urs' comment:

"My opinion is that currently we see a backslap from the previous "gold rush". Even before the pandemic, some companies got boosted with stupid amounts of venture capital, often for something that's IMHO not viable (like, the subscription fad). So now these companies shrink back or consolidate in other forms. So yeah, there's vacuum as result of greed and fast money, reflected by fewer releases and stagnation of very visible brands.

"However, the way I see it, companies like Tone2 or us who refused to play those silly games will simply continue, and if the market declines, we have that vacuum to fill as a buffer. If I wasn't under NDA I could give an astonishing example of how those imploding companies gasp for air and literally offer us to fill the void they left."

I see. You completely misinterpreted what he said. Thanks for sharing the actual quote.

VIs are not disappearing as they are not being replaced by anything.

Maybe the market is saturated so some companies will disappear. Maybe austerity and world problems will mean fewer hobbyists (for a while) spending cash on virtual toys.

But ‘demise of VIs?’ Nope.

This ^

Honestly, Tony, it's starting to appear that you are being purposefully myopic just to continue this zombie thread's stumbling gait. You can't list out your professional pedigree and then so obviously purposefully misinterpret such a plainly written quote. It's just gauche. Please. Stop. I can't even bring myself to type the equally obvious and valid counter. It's just dumb.

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[otristan]

Short answer: no
Long answer: It takes a lot of time to do something cool.

[tony10000]

Short answer: no
Long answer: It takes a lot of time to do something cool.

I understand it takes a long time to do something cool. Falcon (and the UVI Engine) is a great example. I guess I am wondering how many developers are willing to invest the time in the current market and economic environment in 2022? Many large developers (including UVI) have switched their focus to developing sample libraries for existing instruments rather than new synthesis plugins.

[otristan]

Short answer: no
Long answer: It takes a lot of time to do something cool.

I understand it takes a long time to do something cool. Falcon (and the UVI Engine) is a great example. I guess I am wondering how many developers are willing to invest the time in the current market and economic environment in 2022? Many large developers (including UVI) have switched their focus to developing sample libraries for existing instruments rather than new synthesis plugins.

Not really, we do both actually. It's just that we use Falcon instead of having another synth to power this new synthesis sound source.
Regarding the whole market, I think there are way more developers than in the past, so I don't see a shrinking offer. It's a competing market but it has been the case for at least 10 years and maybe more.

[tony10000]

Short answer: no
Long answer: It takes a lot of time to do something cool.

I understand it takes a long time to do something cool. Falcon (and the UVI Engine) is a great example. I guess I am wondering how many developers are willing to invest the time in the current market and economic environment in 2022? Many large developers (including UVI) have switched their focus to developing sample libraries for existing instruments rather than new synthesis plugins.

Not really, we do both actually. It's just that we use Falcon instead of having another synth to power this new synthesis sound source.
Regarding the whole market, I think there are way more developers than in the past, so I don't see a shrinking offer. It's a competing market but it has been the case for at least 10 years and maybe more.

I know you do both, but the recent emphasis has been on sample libraries. I think there have only been a few Falcon expansions in 2022. And I await Falcon 3.0 whenever it shows up.

As for other devs, the focus has been on audio processing plugins rather than synths for quite a while. NI has pretty much given up on synthesis since the Massive X debacle and is solely focused on Kontakt libraries. Hence the title of this thread.

[whyterabbyt]

I know you do both, but the recent emphasis has been on sample libraries. I think there have only been a few Falcon expansions in 2022. And I await Falcon 3.0 whenever it shows up.

Yup, you go ahead and speak for UVI, he clearly doesnt know as much about it as you.

[otristan]

Well if you already have the conclusion, you should probably not put a question mark in the title

Falcon Expansion are preset pack so there is nothing to do with synthesis.
Falcon 2.8 has been released which includes a new oscillator and several new FX.
Same thing for falcon 2.5 which was released last year. The version number is not really that important and others would have probably called what was done in 2.5 and 2.8 a version 3.

N.I is N.I and do not reflect the whole market. This is probably more a management rather than technical explanation.
There are probably less new synth because a lot of paradigm have already pretty good contender on the market and it takes more time to do than FX. Still that doesn't mean that the V.I era is over.

my 2 cents

[whyterabbyt]

Well if you already have the conclusion, you should probably not put a question mark in the title

Falcon Expansion are preset pack so there is nothing to do with synthesis.
Falcon 2.8 has been released which includes a new oscillator and several new FX.
Same thing for falcon 2.5 which was released last year. The version number is not really that important and others would have probably called what was done in 2.5 and 2.8 a version 3.

N.I is N.I and do not reflect the whole market. This is probably more a management rather than technical explanation.
There are probably less new synth because a lot of paradigm have already pretty good contender on the market and it takes more time to do than FX. Still that doesn't mean that the V.I era is over.

my 2 cents

sorry, he's only interested in hearing from small companies now.

[vurt]

stands to reason, if the era was over, we'd have more developers posting here. it's beginning to look like they're all too busy coding vis to post...

[whyterabbyt]

stands to reason, if the era was over, we'd have more developers posting here. it's beginning to look like they're all too busy coding vis to post...

nah, they're clearly working on sample libraries. thats what software developers do now. all of NI's coders are now wandering around with shotgun mics looking baffled.

[vurt]

stands to reason, if the era was over, we'd have more developers posting here. it's beginning to look like they're all too busy coding vis to post...

nah, they're clearly working on sample libraries. thats what software developers do now. all of NI's coders are now wandering around with shotgun mics looking baffled.

can't blame em, easy money, nothing to a bit of sampling

[tony10000]

There sure is a lot of noise in here. LOL!

[vurt]

There sure is a lot of noise in here. LOL!

noises is sample based.