Soundtoys are they now overated? My thinking is...

[dionenoid]

It took a long time, but they did it right : vst3 versions automatically replace vst2 here.

That all depends on your DAW as well as the plugin apparently. Was just reading a post over at the Cubase forums where a user was having this issue with his plugins not getting replaced. According to some, its the plugin devs fault for not doing it properly, but the same thing happened to some during the ST beta test. SoundToys claimed it was the DAW for not implementing it properly.

Apparently they code all their VSTs strictly by the Steinberg book so they should work perfectly in Cubase, but other DAWs had some issues with it here and there that aren't exactly 100% up to spec.

I use Cubase. No problems.

[mothra]

That all depends on your DAW as well as the plugin apparently. Was just reading a post over at the Cubase forums where a user was having this issue with his plugins not getting replaced. According to some, its the plugin devs fault for not doing it properly, but the same thing happened to some during the ST beta test. SoundToys claimed it was the DAW for not implementing it properly.

I think that was a specific issue with Reaper and plugin names that contain hyphens, which was already fixed by Reaper's developer.

Pretty sure it was Ableton Live (Im working at home so I don't have access to my Mac's bookmarks to check the beta forum at the moment). Makes sense though, Live just barely added VST3 support maybe a year or so ago? I bought the Suite around May last year and VST3 support was pretty new when I jumped into it.

[Sahul]

Nope, it was Reaper. This is what Chris Santoro (Soundtoys Chief Developer) wrote:
"Yes, I think this was fixed in Reaper 6.67.

You might have to update to Reaper 6.67 first, open and re-save your project with the VST2s, then remove the VST2’s from your system and re-load the project … and it should say something like “VST2’s not found, do you want to convert to VST3?”".

[Samuel583]

Demoed the full package recently, some really nice stuff in there. Microshift and Phasemistress are great on guitars. However I do think the price is a bit over the top considering the bundle is quite old now. Hoping it goes on a big discount for Black Friday this year...

[mothra]

They may be old but they do the job they are supposed to do. If it ain't broke, why fix it. Not sure why people can't just use tools as they are and expect constant evolution and change.

Hammers are still the same as they were 100 years ago, prices haven't changed aside from inflation adjustment. Do we need hammers to evolve in order to justify buying them now, or do you just need a tool to bash in a nail?

[bungle]

They may be old but they do the job they are supposed to do. If it ain't broke, why fix it. Not sure why people can't just use tools as they are and expect constant evolution and change.

Hammers are still the same as they were 100 years ago, prices haven't changed aside from inflation adjustment. Do we need hammers to evolve in order to justify buying them now, or do you just need a tool to bash in a nail?

I think most users just want resizing of the UIs, maybe AA, asking for too much is getting too much, look at how some developers (Izotope ahem) have redeveloped/redesigned some of their software into oblivion, a lot of users even sticking with out of date versions because they are better.

[worldfever]

They may be old but they do the job they are supposed to do. If it ain't broke, why fix it. Not sure why people can't just use tools as they are and expect constant evolution and change.

Hammers are still the same as they were 100 years ago, prices haven't changed aside from inflation adjustment. Do we need hammers to evolve in order to justify buying them now, or do you just need a tool to bash in a nail?

Thats a good take I think! Some things are just universally good tools and work as they are.
I still use soundtoys plugins, they are solid and im familiar with them. However had I gotten into music production in this current year and not 10 years ago, possibly I would be used to different, newer iterations of what soundtoys do.

I think most users just want resizing of the UIs, maybe AA, asking for too much is getting too much, look at how some developers (Izotope ahem) have redeveloped/redesigned some of their software into oblivion, a lot of users even sticking with out of date versions because they are better.

which old versions of izotope software are better than newer ones? not using izotope stuff too much, just curious what they "ruined"

[Havok]

Hammers are still the same as they were 100 years ago, prices haven't changed aside from inflation adjustment. Do we need hammers to evolve in order to justify buying them now, or do you just need a tool to bash in a nail?

Hammers have evolved though, improvements in materials, manufacturing processes etc mean they are quite different to the ones used back then. Not to mention things like palm nailers.

[bungle]

which old versions of izotope software are better than newer ones? not using izotope stuff too much, just curious what they "ruined"

A lot of people are still using RX7 for instance, even after paying for upgrades.

[MFXxx]

Im always amused by these type of posts. Recently demoed ie Moogs latest offerring and decided whilst nice, personally felt had covered or similar with Soundtoys.
Furthermore - why is it (support/development/compatibility aside) software gets outdated - yet phased out or no longer in production hardware becomes the golden egg.
Its about making music and as any carpenter will tell you - regardless of the latest fad the hammer is king.
In short why reinvent the wheel.
As far as comptability goes - this happens to every dev particularly for Mac users! Which the latter (Apple) in constant updates causing users and 3rd prty dev a bloody headache, extra work and cost!

[Funky40]

for me: outdated !
I use none of the soundtoys FX i have.
maybe phasemistress, my last purchase.
But then: i never use phasers. ...just: bought, cause i sometimes should.

Hammers have evolved though, improvements in materials, manufacturing processes etc mean they are quite different to the ones used back then. Not to mention things like palm nailers.

while in electronic music making:
the thinking shemes have changed.
completely.
ALOTS has been influenced by the thinking shemes of modular people ( i´m one),
AND not only from there, but also, ....have GUI shemes and the whole "how to approach given parameters" changed.
Plus, the parametrisations as such have changed. Since thinking shemes have changed

i mean, the Soundtoys FX are to have for 29$ or so on sales.
So, its ok ! it allows to jump, and to check for one self. No regrets for those prices.

[street spirit]

Probably the best sounding vst fx out there, but they really need to rework the GUI.
Using the OS zoom is getting annoying.

[heyheycnv]

I just want an option to download a single demo version.

[TheNinthCircle]

I usually just snap up the free plugins as they come through at BF sales lol

[astralprojection]

maybe im wrong but last time i tried their plugins, they didnt come with oversampling. Distortion boxes (and things of that nature) without oversampling is just a big no no. If you WANT aliasing then you just use a bitcrusher, but when you dont WANT that, then oversampling is just a necessity in this day and age.

Probably the best sounding vst fx out there, but they really need to rework the GUI.
Using the OS zoom is getting annoying.

i take it your favorite plugins are bitcrushers? since you call alisaing the best sound out there and all. Id say their plugins sounds worse than 2005 waves library of plugins did. Thank god for the current age.
Or maybe you like slapping a Decapitator on a bus and watch the thing go instant plastic and horrible. Thats a thing too I suppose