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[simmo75]

$199 intro price for a Metric Halo plugin… It must be incredible!

But a new release with no VST3 is bizarre, It’s the industry standard, VST2 is no more.

[bmanic]

Apparently both Windows version and VST3 will be out quite soon.

..and yes, it does sound absolutely incredible. Probably at the very top of the pile when it comes to emulated hardware. Heck, they even got the license for the actual brand. Not easy to do considering the source.

[Aiynzahev]

Apparently both Windows version and VST3 will be out quite soon.

..and yes, it does sound absolutely incredible. Probably at the very top of the pile when it comes to emulated hardware. Heck, they even got the license for the actual brand. Not easy to do considering the source.

I've seem some good feedback on this already. I'll try it but gosh $199 on an software EQ is a lot. Any idea what the heck "Just Math" is?

[simmo75]

Apparently both Windows version and VST3 will be out quite soon.

..and yes, it does sound absolutely incredible. Probably at the very top of the pile when it comes to emulated hardware. Heck, they even got the license for the actual brand. Not easy to do considering the source.

I bet it sounds dangerously good, I hope the intro price is still available when they release the VST3 version.

[AC222]

$199 intro price for a Metric Halo plugin… It must be incredible!

But a new release with no VST3 is bizarre, It’s the industry standard, VST2 is no more.

What's the relationship with Metric Halo? Got a few of their plugins that are nice but all originals.

Some of their stuff there was a big debate over how their plugins were coded impacted the sound .

80-bit fixed point apparently yielded sonic benefits over 64-bit in a bunch of shootouts and then a bunch of late comers came by and roasted the folks that clearly heard sonic benefits saying don't listen to your ears, all math is the same yada yada ha.

[TBlake]

Any idea what the heck "Just Math" is?

You're not supposed to ask. You're just supposed to accept their obtuse marketing and buy.

[plexuss]

Easily ignorable. So many other other options out there. Is this one really going to make that much a difference. But its a good product to keep the fanbois hyping about something I guess. *yawn*

Unless the thing was circuit modelled down to component level including the dynamic nonlinear characteristics of hardware... I've yet to see a plugin do this. The closest out there is AA but then you have to accept all the associated baggage. Such an obvious opportunity in the plugin world for competitive differentiation.

Looks like is a curve machine with some static harmonics. Boring. It's time devs got more sophisticated with analogue modelling and stopped with these curve machines with token distortion. If you think that static distortion is worth the premium for this tool, go for it.

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I've been thinking about this since I posted... When it comes to analogue, hardware, what are the aspects that differentiate it from digital? An analogue electronics component has variance in it's performance based on characteristics of the physical material it's made from and can include things like: ambient and material temperature, material consistency, inner material manufacturing differences, effects of entropy, humidity, mechanical vibration, and other physical aspects. THESE are things that make analogue sound the way it does. And they often aren't subtle, take temperature changes on analogue synth tuning. I have NEVER heard of a plugin emulating any of these. And I have never heard of a pluging emulating the changes over time in all the aspects of analogue gear, long term, medium term, short term and almost instantaneous changes that go on. THESE are the things that make analogue sound the way it does. And again I have never* heard of any of these things being emulated. On an EQ these would cause time domain variances in curve geometry, phase and harmonic signature. Copying the curves of the hardware if they were static, and adding some harmonic distortion is not accurately modelling hardware. That is a mere digital estimation. There are many inexpensive plugins that offer static emulation. You want my $200+, do a better job.

* The only examples I can think of are Plugin Alliance with their TMT which seems like an attempt on variances but they are still static. And Acustica which claim to capture time domain characteristics in their models and tech. I guess I have a beef with Dan Worrall on TMT because he it's thinks it pointless. I think it's at least an attempt to go beyond the static model and offer some semblance of variance.

[mastervargas]

The closest out there is AA but then you have to accept all the associated baggage.

And you're calling others fanboys. that's rich!

[plexuss]

The closest out there is AA but then you have to accept all the associated baggage.

And you're calling others fanboys. that's rich!

"Nice"* first post. I think you misunderstood me. My comment was critical of AA.

* shitty

[mastervargas]

The closest out there is AA but then you have to accept all the associated baggage.

And you're calling others fanboys. that's rich!

"Nice"* first post. I think you misunderstood me. My comment was critical of AA.

* shitty

give me a break with the clichés - like there's an etiquette for a 1st post. I've been around since forever, never bothered to register here, I'm an old fart, so spare me. No, you weren't critical of AA. I'm tired of this AA is the only one worth considering ITB - to me all AA's sound completely off, glorified color boxes at best. As to being able to properly replicate a (clean) HW EQ, there's a thread on gearslutz about how many couldn't tell the difference between a real Sontec and EQuilibrium. I bet it will be the case with this plugin too if it's done properly.

[plexuss]

The closest out there is AA but then you have to accept all the associated baggage.

And you're calling others fanboys. that's rich!

"Nice"* first post. I think you misunderstood me. My comment was critical of AA.

* shitty

give me a break with the clichés - like there's an etiquette for a 1st post. I've been around since forever, never bothered to register here, I'm an old fart, so spare me. No, you weren't critical of AA. I'm tired of this AA is the only one worth considering ITB - to me all AA's sound completely off, glorified color boxes at best. As to being able to properly replicate a (clean) HW EQ, there's a thread on gearslutz about how many couldn't tell the difference between a real Sontec and EQuilibrium. I bet it will be the case with this plugin too if it's done properly.

Is this a relative of BONES??

[jens]

https://gearspace.com/board/mastering-f ... lugin.html

If a plugin causes that sort of elitist bickering, you know it's pretty much spot on...

plus, of course, it has IKMM's brilliant LR/MS implementation.

[plexuss]

https://gearspace.com/board/mastering-f ... lugin.html

If a plugin causes that sort of elitist bickering, you know it's pretty much spot on...

plus, of course, it has IKMM's brilliant LR/MS implementation.

May the godz help us all...

[jens]

What's the relationship with Metric Halo? Got a few of their plugins that are nice but all originals.

I tried to google that to no avail, but the description on the product page gives me the impression that it is something new from Metric Halo which is similar to Nebula/Sintefex....