Personally I think it sounds good, but it's not a very thick sound. I know that term gets used too much, but in the case of Pigments I think it fits. So here I can use it for lead type things and thin pads, but not bass or massive sounds.BONES wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:39 am Second was Pigments. I love the workflow and I appreciate all the bits and pieces but, ultimately, I could never get it to sound as good as the instruments around it. Eventually I gave up and I have replaced it in every song I had used it in.
I WANT to love it...
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machinesworking machinesworking https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8505 - KVRAF
- 8081 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
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- KVRAF
- 4589 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
F'em. Too many features that need to be configured, too much clicking. Some GUI choices are redundant and unintuitive.
Also... Pigments 3.5. It wanted to be everything all at once, but ultimately has lost its identity. For me, the main distinct feature of this synths is the sequencer, and everything else is a bit hit or miss.
Also... Pigments 3.5. It wanted to be everything all at once, but ultimately has lost its identity. For me, the main distinct feature of this synths is the sequencer, and everything else is a bit hit or miss.
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
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- GRRRRRRR!
- 17874 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
That is exactly it and with the way we do things, it simply doesn't work for us.machinesworking wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:03 amPersonally I think it sounds good, but it's not a very thick sound. I know that term gets used too much, but in the case of Pigments I think it fits. So here I can use it for lead type things and thin pads, but not bass or massive sounds.
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Invader 2, Flow Motion, Olga, TRK 01, Thorn, Spire, VG Iron
Korg Odyssey, bx-oberhausen, Proxima, PolyMax, GR8, JP6K, Union, Atomika,
Invader 2, Flow Motion, Olga, TRK 01, Thorn, Spire, VG Iron
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- KVRist
- 365 posts since 16 Jul, 2021
UVI Falcon.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 12055 posts since 12 May, 2008
Arturia CS-80 and MS-20. People rave about they've improved the CS-80, and I just think it barely improved. It's just ok, not convincing analog. MS-20 has some nice qualities but also doesn't nail analog, but I love the features of both.
Vital - I like it, love the feature set and design. I like the sound but don't love it.
Vital - I like it, love the feature set and design. I like the sound but don't love it.
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- KVRian
- 991 posts since 29 May, 2011 from Germany
1. Phase Plant: It´s capable of producing fine, complex, powerful sounds, and the modular concept is great in theory, but I just don´t gel with the GUI. I wouldn´t know how to harness that power in a "better" GUI either - everything that´s on the screen is necessary, but it still feels off to me.
2. Falcon: Pretty much the same reason. So much modular power, and every time I want to do something simple as edit a modulation, I´ll first have to search. The left pane tree view helps a bit, but not so much. It makes super complex sounds possible, and it makes creating simple sounds from scratch more work than it needs to be.
3. Pigments: This one´s the other way round. The UI clicks with me immediately, but everything sounds kind of... tinny. Great and hifi, but tinny. Also, it´s an "I want exactly this sound"-synth, not one for happy accidents.
4. Lion: Should be great in theory, but I haven´t been able to get anything out of it that´s better than Serum (the UI of which I like a lot better).
2. Falcon: Pretty much the same reason. So much modular power, and every time I want to do something simple as edit a modulation, I´ll first have to search. The left pane tree view helps a bit, but not so much. It makes super complex sounds possible, and it makes creating simple sounds from scratch more work than it needs to be.
3. Pigments: This one´s the other way round. The UI clicks with me immediately, but everything sounds kind of... tinny. Great and hifi, but tinny. Also, it´s an "I want exactly this sound"-synth, not one for happy accidents.
4. Lion: Should be great in theory, but I haven´t been able to get anything out of it that´s better than Serum (the UI of which I like a lot better).
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- KVRAF
- 4262 posts since 1 Sep, 2016
Agreed on the Arturia interfaces. Most of them feel clunky and unwieldy to me. To demonstrate the poor use of space I blanked out everything on their Juno except the controls (I consider the unhideable keyboard to be a waste of space too). So much screen real estate used up for the sake of skeuomorphism :darkinners wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:22 am For Arturia V collections I like the idea of the variety of those classic synth emulation but when in use they just all sound thin, too clean and uninspiring to me(except for Ms-20, CS-80, DX7 and Buchla), on top of that I really don’t like their GUI and load time. GUI taken up too much unused empty space for the sake of making them look like the hardware they emulate. I much prefer the approach of U-he, Gforce and TAL.
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- KVRAF
- 12496 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Incredible illustration!Vortifex wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:45 pmAgreed on the Arturia interfaces. Most of them feel clunky and unwieldy to me. To demonstrate the poor use of space I blanked out everything on their Juno except the controls (I consider the unhideable keyboard to be a waste of space too). So much screen real estate used up for the sake of skeuomorphism :darkinners wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:22 am For Arturia V collections I like the idea of the variety of those classic synth emulation but when in use they just all sound thin, too clean and uninspiring to me(except for Ms-20, CS-80, DX7 and Buchla), on top of that I really don’t like their GUI and load time. GUI taken up too much unused empty space for the sake of making them look like the hardware they emulate. I much prefer the approach of U-he, Gforce and TAL.
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I've made that same point on every Arturia survey I've received for years now but that picture really puts it in perspective.
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- KVRAF
- 3414 posts since 26 Mar, 2002 from london
Maybe I'm missing something, but clicking on any parameter that has modulation should automatically display the modulator in the bottom panel in the edit window. Or right-click and select 'edit modulation'. I guess you mean lack of visual feedback to show that something has had modulation applied?epiphaneia wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:30 pm 2. Falcon: Pretty much the same reason. So much modular power, and every time I want to do something simple as edit a modulation, I´ll first have to search. The left pane tree view helps a bit, but not so much. It makes super complex sounds possible, and it makes creating simple sounds from scratch more work than it needs to be.
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- KVRAF
- 5221 posts since 13 Jul, 2004 from Earth
Roland cloud acb models are great but no support for arrow up or down for changing presets is annoying and the presets are all over the place with no Categories + the Arpeggiator hold button doesn't do anything and is why i prefer to use Zenology Pro instead.
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- KVRian
- 991 posts since 29 May, 2011 from Germany
Yep, that´s the point. It´s even worse than having to look in a modulation matrix table in some subscreen (Dune 3, Thorn). Otoh, I love the way Hive 2 displays modulation. Right below, and it´s also got a super flexibla matrix.chagzuki wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:40 pmMaybe I'm missing something, but clicking on any parameter that has modulation should automatically display the modulator in the bottom panel in the edit window. Or right-click and select 'edit modulation'. I guess you mean lack of visual feedback to show that something has had modulation applied?epiphaneia wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:30 pm 2. Falcon: Pretty much the same reason. So much modular power, and every time I want to do something simple as edit a modulation, I´ll first have to search. The left pane tree view helps a bit, but not so much. It makes super complex sounds possible, and it makes creating simple sounds from scratch more work than it needs to be.
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- KVRAF
- 2982 posts since 31 Jan, 2003 from Ghent, Belgium
Doesn't your DAW have a generic editor? Me, I like that it looks like a real Juno.Vortifex wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:45 pm Agreed on the Arturia interfaces. Most of them feel clunky and unwieldy to me. To demonstrate the poor use of space I blanked out everything on their Juno except the controls (I consider the unhideable keyboard to be a waste of space too). So much screen real estate used up for the sake of skeuomorphism :
