Relab Development will release The Relab VSR REV6000 soon

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I didn't sign up for the beta. VSR-S24 owners should've all received the 6000 iLok license months and months ago. At that time, I think you had to request the beta. But just recently, they rolled the beta out to everyone else. Or at least me. Again, didn't ask for it. It was just there one day.

I think more of an individual situation.. Maybe you asked about it and they granted access?

The 6000 plugin is still prerelease. AFAIK Relab haven't made any announcements about how / when VSR S24 users should receive an ilok license update. If you can link to any info from them, about this, please do..

I definitely did not ask for access. Here's what happened:

1. Had VSR-S24 and the rest of the Relab reverb suite (not bought as a bundle or anything - just had them all)
2. A while back, Relab sent a note saying something like, 'hey, we deposited a new license for the new System-6000 plugin in your iLok. If you want in on the beta, reach out to us'
3. I took no action on that
4. A year probably passed (maybe more, maybe less)
5. I saw on the Gearspace VSR-S24 thread that someone said, "hey, I just looked in my Relab account and the VSR-6000 beta was there. I didn't even ask for it or anything, they just added it on their own."
6. I checked my Relab account, and same deal. It was just there.

...Maybe they only did that if you owned all their plugs? Maybe they did that for all VSR-S24 owners and people just aren't checking because they took no action too? I don't know the details. It was just there.

All I know is, I now have the VSR-6000 beta and didn't need to do anything for it other than log into my Relab account (not their Community site, the actual Relab account) and it was there. So if you have VSR-S24, I'd say, just check your Relab account to be sure. Don't assume it's not there. Don't assume it will be. But check.

[PAK]

...Maybe they only did that if you owned all their plugs? Maybe they did that for all VSR-S24 owners and people just aren't checking because they took no action too? I don't know the details. It was just there.

Thanks. That potentially narrow things, with the difference being bundle Vs individual licenses.

They had to update their bundle to "V2" in order to split the Kush reverb out from it. My guess is, if they want to create a bundle with the 6000 plugin, they'll have to create a V3 license, since adding it to V2 would mean they also continue to list the discontinued VSR S24 plugin alongside.

That could explain why those licenses would be more likely to be updated closer to a release. At least, I'd like to think it's the reason since the alternative is they've not been consistent in issuing updated licenses..

[rasmusklump]

I had the complete but without goldplate bundle and had the license to this for well over a year now.
It's a really great TC style reverb

[dpereira44]

Relab products might sound good, but the company is a mess. 3 day trials, no upgrade path, misleading marketing claims.. (anyone working with machine learning knows that 'precision machine learning' and 'sample-accurate' are not compatible)

[rasmusklump]

...Maybe they only did that if you owned all their plugs? Maybe they did that for all VSR-S24 owners and people just aren't checking because they took no action too? I don't know the details. It was just there.

Thanks. That potentially narrow things, with the difference being bundle Vs individual licenses.

They had to update their bundle to "V2" in order to split the Kush reverb out from it. My guess is, if they want to create a bundle with the 6000 plugin, they'll have to create a V3 license, since adding it to V2 would mean they also continue to list the discontinued VSR S24 plugin alongside.

That could explain why those licenses would be more likely to be updated closer to a release. At least, I'd like to think it's the reason since the alternative is they've not been consistent in issuing updated licenses..

That’s what's in my account
Upgrade: Reverb Bundle 2 to Reverb Bundle 2 with REV6000
Reverb Bundle V2 (with VSR REV6000) Lifetime License
Started on Jun 30, 2019

[rasmusklump]

Relab products might sound good, but the company is a mess. 3 day trials, no upgrade path, misleading marketing claims.. (anyone working with machine learning knows that 'precision machine learning' and 'sample-accurate' are not compatible)

Better get your facts right before posting.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

...Maybe they only did that if you owned all their plugs? Maybe they did that for all VSR-S24 owners and people just aren't checking because they took no action too? I don't know the details. It was just there.

Thanks. That potentially narrow things, with the difference being bundle Vs individual licenses.

They had to update their bundle to "V2" in order to split the Kush reverb out from it. My guess is, if they want to create a bundle with the 6000 plugin, they'll have to create a V3 license, since adding it to V2 would mean they also continue to list the discontinued VSR S24 plugin alongside.

That could explain why those licenses would be more likely to be updated closer to a release. At least, I'd like to think it's the reason since the alternative is they've not been consistent in issuing updated licenses..

So in my iLok manager, I show:

Upgrade: Reverb Bundle 2 (with VSR REV6000) and included in that is:
VSR-S24
VSR REV6000
Sonsig Rev-A
LX480 RHALL
LX480 (with LX480 Essentials)

....and that was deposited back in June 2021.

Again, I didn't buy them as a bundle, but at some point they must have converted me over to the bundle since I owned everything, and then just added in the REV6000.

If you have questions about your specific bundle/scenario, I'd suggest contacting support.

[PAK]

So in my iLok manager, I show:
Upgrade: Reverb Bundle 2 (with VSR REV6000)

Thanks again. With both yourself and rasmusklump seeing exactly the same license deposited it pretty much confirms it should be there. I didn't think about it since I thought it wouldn't be done until the official release, whenever that is!..

So anyone with a VSR S24 license, but still without a 6000 license, should likely contact them at this point..

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

So anyone with a VSR S24 license, but still without a 6000 license, should likely contact them at this point..

Yeah, that's definitely what I'd suggest.

[Broken]

A Relab rep mentioned that during the move to their new system some users missed out on the REV6000 upgrade. You need to let them know.

So in my iLok manager, I show:
Upgrade: Reverb Bundle 2 (with VSR REV6000)

Thanks again. With both yourself and rasmusklump seeing exactly the same license deposited it pretty much confirms it should be there. I didn't think about it since I thought it wouldn't be done until the official release, whenever that is!..

So anyone with a VSR S24 license, but still without a 6000 license, should likely contact them at this point..

[gaggle of hermits]

misleading marketing claims.. (anyone working with machine learning knows that 'precision machine learning' and 'sample-accurate' are not compatible)

misleading? that statement is basic bs. how are they incompatible? there is no hard limit in machine learning to accuracy of modelling, and certainly not to per-sample level accuracy. if you have proof otherwise, you need to show it.

or did you just conflate ML with neural networks and assume it can never be 1:1?

you’ve probably also made an incorrect assumption about how relab used ML during development.

[beely]

For those who don't know, as I understand it they use machine learning as a process for analysing the hardware, so they can build models that capture and reproduce it exactly. ML for them is more a tool they use in development, to produce the final plugin that is verifiably sample accurate (ie, they can run the plugin on the same files they use for analysis and verify the plugin does the same thing as the hardware).

They've posted the odd picture from their server room before of their servers number crunching the ML algorithms... it's an interesting way of understanding and developing the reverb algorithms, and pretty different from most reverb devs I think.

[gaggle of hermits]

For those who don't know, as I understand it they use machine learning as a process for analysing the hardware, so they can build models that capture and reproduce it exactly. ML for them is more a tool they use in development, to produce the final plugin that is verifiably sample accurate (ie, they can run the plugin on the same files they use for analysis and verify the plugin does the same thing as the hardware).

They've posted the odd picture from their server room before of their servers number crunching the ML algorithms... it's an interesting way of understanding and developing the reverb algorithms, and pretty different from most reverb devs I think.

that was roughly my understanding of what they were doing. i think dave gamble uses a similar approach based on what he was describing on a gearspace thread. there's apparently a matrix/tensor that describes the operation of key components, such as the fet in an 1176 that's derived from the measurements, rather than using a top-down algorithmic function in its entirety. it's just not what people today tend to associate with machine learning.

[Tj Shredder]

Would these plugins be able to use the Apple Silicon neural processors? Just curious if any plugin uses those…

[kmonkey]

For those who don't know, as I understand it they use machine learning as a process for analyzing the hardware, so they can build models that capture and reproduce it exactly. ML for them is more a tool they use in development, to produce the final plugin that is verifiably sample accurate (ie, they can run the plugin on the same files they use for analysis and verify the plugin does the same thing as the hardware).

They've posted the odd picture from their server room before of their servers number crunching the ML algorithms... it's an interesting way of understanding and developing the reverb algorithms, and pretty different from most reverb devs I think.

that was roughly my understanding of what they were doing. i think dave gamble uses a similar approach based on what he was describing on a gearspace thread. there's apparently a matrix/tensor that describes the operation of key components, such as the fet in an 1176 that's derived from the measurements, rather than using a top-down algorithmic function in its entirety. it's just not what people today tend to associate with machine learning.

Yes, it's something like that. Relab (as well as DMG), uses Machine Learning to study specific hardware. Perhaps I remember this wrong or it was someone else but there was an image (or movie) with several Threadrippers crunching numbers at Relab. On their facebook? The way I understood it, REV6000 is in beta for a while, with really amazing engineers and studios testing it out. I read somewhere (their beta forum?) someone, some big name said they literally can't hear the difference when comparing it to System 6000 on of the algo,

And knowing Relab they won't release it until it's really nailed from down to the bottom. So yes 2024 haha

Also to my understanding Reverb Bundle owners are getting VSR 6000 automatically upon release. No harm in contacting their support and asking them about it if you own Reverb Bundle.

Exciting times but better to forget it until it's actually released by 2024..