UAD Apollo as regular audio interface
- KVRAF
- 37544 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
As well as hosting DSP plugins can an Apollo also work as a regular coreaudio interface on Mac?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 37544 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
I was thinking of picking one up in the BF sale if it does to replace my ageing RME Fireface
- KVRAF
- 18526 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
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- KVRAF
- 3822 posts since 20 Apr, 2005
Is the fireface dying?aMUSEd wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:03 pm I was thinking of picking one up in the BF sale if it does to replace my ageing RME Fireface
Apollos main strength might be the Unison technology where it integrates with e.g. 1073 pre amp and can model recording through a 1073.
If you're doing a lot of recording could be worth it. Otherwise just either picking up a DSP card or getting Spark to run natively may be fine with a neutral pre like the fireface has.
*I have a fireface ufx and UAD 2 cards, and don't feel I miss on having an Apollo.
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- KVRAF
- 2067 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Germany
I don't know for Mac but the round-trip latencies or general latency of the apollo is desastrous on a pc.
The real latency of my apollo running on 128 is higher than my Fireface ufx running at 256.
And if that wasn't worse enough, the cpu load of the RME at 128 is lower than on the Apollo at 256.
So if you are playing vstis etc I would avoid an apollo.
I only use an apollo as an adat extension to my RME interface.
The real latency of my apollo running on 128 is higher than my Fireface ufx running at 256.
And if that wasn't worse enough, the cpu load of the RME at 128 is lower than on the Apollo at 256.
So if you are playing vstis etc I would avoid an apollo.
I only use an apollo as an adat extension to my RME interface.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 37544 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
No but I get error messages from Ventura saying the USB2 drivers being used will not work on future versions of MacOs - I'm sure RME will update it but they seem to keep needing to play catch up whereas the Apollo seems designed for thunderbolt and Mac
- KVRAF
- 3822 posts since 20 Apr, 2005
Not sure what Ventura is, but I'd expect RME to get working drivers sorted.aMUSEd wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:41 am No but I get error messages from Ventura saying the USB2 drivers being used will not work on future versions of MacOs - I'm sure RME will update it but they seem to keep needing to play catch up whereas the Apollo seems designed for thunderbolt and Mac
What are you look to in UAD?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 37544 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Primarily wanting a very low latency interface (so Thunderbolt) but their Synths are a bonus_leras wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 12:42 pmNot sure what Ventura is, but I'd expect RME to get working drivers sorted.aMUSEd wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:41 am No but I get error messages from Ventura saying the USB2 drivers being used will not work on future versions of MacOs - I'm sure RME will update it but they seem to keep needing to play catch up whereas the Apollo seems designed for thunderbolt and Mac
What are you look to in UAD?
- KVRAF
- 12264 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
Works perfectly with my 2019 iMac and MBP here. As mentioned, the Unison preamps was a big feature for me and, as I had hoped, my Twin X replaced an expensive Focusrite ISA200 channel strip for me. I later added an Apollo X6 and daisy chained the Twin X, which works great as a big knob controller. I also have 15 hardware synths, basses guitars, etc. so having all those on-board effects saves me the cost, space, and headache of racks of hardware effects.
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- KVRAF
- 14501 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Planet Earth, Somewhere
This somewhat echoes my thought.. RME have stellar low RTL performances (only probably lynx audio and the presonus quantum I think are anywhere near these (maybe others I am unaware of)).rasmusklump wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:31 am I don't know for Mac but the round-trip latencies or general latency of the apollo is desastrous on a pc.
The real latency of my apollo running on 128 is higher than my Fireface ufx running at 256.
And if that wasn't worse enough, the cpu load of the RME at 128 is lower than on the Apollo at 256.
So if you are playing vstis etc I would avoid an apollo.
I only use an apollo as an adat extension to my RME interface.
I don't currently own an RME (I have a lynx audio), but low RTL is key for me in an interface... so I for one wouldn't trade an RME for an Apollo.
Ever...
rsp
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- KVRAF
- 14501 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Planet Earth, Somewhere
I think their low latency applies only if you are using their console or whatever it is called to record audio not vstis.aMUSEd wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 12:46 pmPrimarily wanting a very low latency interface (so Thunderbolt) but their Synths are a bonus_leras wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 12:42 pmNot sure what Ventura is, but I'd expect RME to get working drivers sorted.aMUSEd wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:41 am No but I get error messages from Ventura saying the USB2 drivers being used will not work on future versions of MacOs - I'm sure RME will update it but they seem to keep needing to play catch up whereas the Apollo seems designed for thunderbolt and Mac
What are you look to in UAD?
edit: actually they aren't that bad:
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others for comparison: https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... ostcount=1
rsp
sound sculptist
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 37544 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Thanks - looks like RME is still at the top then
Just hope they keep updating the drivers for the older USB 2 models
Just hope they keep updating the drivers for the older USB 2 models
- KVRAF
- 4087 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
The USB2 interfaces are going strong with more than 12 years of support already, they still support older interfaces. I think they have a very good platform to keep everything working.i don't think there is any other brand that can match the support of RME.aMUSEd wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:24 pm Thanks - looks like RME is still at the top then
Just hope they keep updating the drivers for the older USB 2 models
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- KVRAF
- 3822 posts since 20 Apr, 2005
For about the cost of a good new interface (or less), UAD currently have their ultimate bundle on a black Friday sale priceaMUSEd wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:24 pm Thanks - looks like RME is still at the top then
Just hope they keep updating the drivers for the older USB 2 models
https://www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins/plug ... te-11.html
And it includes their synths.
- KVRAF
- 4087 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
but uad doesn't as good drivers or long term support as RME_leras wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:35 pmFor about the cost of a good new interface (or less), UAD currently have their ultimate bundle on a black Friday sale priceaMUSEd wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:24 pm Thanks - looks like RME is still at the top then
Just hope they keep updating the drivers for the older USB 2 models
https://www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins/plug ... te-11.html
And it includes their synths.
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