KVR Audio

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:45 am

Looking forward to Half-Life 3 now!!!!!!!!!!!!

MJACau · Post by **MJACau** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:28 am

JonSolo wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:45 am Looking forward to Half-Life 3 now!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm ok with being wrong.

Ok so does that mean I will see a Slayer 3?!
That is certainly more realistic expectation than IK MODO Guitar ever being released.

But sadly no HL3.

Markus Krause · Post by **Markus Krause** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:26 pm

chk071 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:37 pm As far as I can see, he said that he licensed the "audio engine" to them. No word about the plugin itself: viewtopic.php?p=8395284&hilit=vanguard#p8395284

I highly doubt that he owns the Vanguard rights. Imagine what that would mean, if a developer who was hired by a company to code their plugin, and then he owns the rights of the plugin. It would basically mean that they could never do anything with it again, unless the original developer gives back those rights (or allows them to do a version 2 on his conditions). I doubt that that is the case here.

Please stop distributing misinformation and making false assumptions. You were never involved in the development.
Vanguard1 (as well as PlastiCZ, Slayer, JunoX) was a collaboration between me and Michael Kleps. We were both small indy-developers and shared the income. For Vanguard I did create the concept, the prototype, code the waveforms/wavetables/oscillators, the audio-engine (except arpeggiator & reverb) and one of the factory banks. Mike did the GUI, some preformance optimisations, the arpeggiator, the marketing and the website.
We also got a contract for Vanguard2 where reFX licensed my old sourcecodes.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:33 pm

Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:26 pm
chk071 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:37 pm As far as I can see, he said that he licensed the "audio engine" to them. No word about the plugin itself: viewtopic.php?p=8395284&hilit=vanguard#p8395284

I highly doubt that he owns the Vanguard rights. Imagine what that would mean, if a developer who was hired by a company to code their plugin, and then he owns the rights of the plugin. It would basically mean that they could never do anything with it again, unless the original developer gives back those rights (or allows them to do a version 2 on his conditions). I doubt that that is the case here.
Please stop distributing misinformation and making false assumptions. You were never involved in the development.
Vanguard1 (as well as PlastiCZ, Slayer, JunoX) was a collaboration between me and Michael Kleps. We were both small indy-developers and shared the income. In Vanguard I did code the waveforms/wavetables/oscillators, the filters, big parts of the audio-engine and one of the factory banks. Mike did the graphics, the arpeggiator, the marketing and the website.
We also got a contract for Vanguard2 where reFX licensed my old sourcecodes.

seems to be cool now

thx for letting us know! fully hyped now. maybe the biggest surprise this year and a BF special!

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:03 pm

Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:26 pm We also got a contract for Vanguard2 where reFX licensed my old sourcecodes.

Yes. But you don't own the rights on the name. Even without your source code, refx could have made a Vanguard 2. That was what I pointed out.

Stop misunderstanding me.

Markus Krause · Post by **Markus Krause** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:13 pm

This would be a break of the contract. I'd take legal actions. The synth would also not be properly downward compatible because it does not longer sound the same

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:20 pm

Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:13 pm This would be a break of the contract. I'd take legal actions.

Which rights do you own exactly on Vanguard?

Markus Krause · Post by **Markus Krause** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:26 pm

Which rights do you own exactly on Vanguard?

I won't post any of the contracts I got with other companies to the public. I also will not answer any further stupid questions from you.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:29 pm

now we should be hyped for the release

hope they will post a screenshot etc. soon!
otherwise we need to wait a few more days!

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:33 pm

Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:26 pm
Which rights do you own exactly on Vanguard?
I won't post any of the contracts I got with other companies to the public. I also will not answer any further stupid questions from you.

Ok, that's also an answer.

For the future, you really should try not to take offense with everything someone says to you. I don't want to attack you, it's just that this legal situation seems weird to me. Ir refx didn't own the rights to even release Vanguard 2 on their terms, you could have easily said that you don't want it to be released at all, and they couldn't have done anything about it.

JamminFool · Post by **JamminFool** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:37 pm

Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:26 pm I also will not answer any further stupid questions from you.

Saiboter · Post by **Saiboter** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:38 pm

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syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:00 pm

Time to let Vanguard go... strip the DRM and release it, as is, unsupported, for free! Run, little plugin who could! Run! Be free!

wangeroge · Post by **wangeroge** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:12 pm

This thread will never die.

reFX Vanguard 2?