well, ripping CDs (for my own convenience) that I've paid for doesn't trouble my conscience at allkaden wrote:I wonder how helpful y'all would have been if the request had of been 'I just bought a copy protected soft synth...can you tell me how to rip it'.
how to rip protected audio cd?
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- KVRAF
- 1577 posts since 20 May, 2002 from Cambridge, UK
THIS IS MY MUSIC: https://spti.fi/rZyjX7i 
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- KVRist
- 336 posts since 7 Nov, 2004 from New Zealand
Nice point... I guess that 'actual' music just isn't worth as much as music software these days...?kaden wrote:I wonder how helpful y'all would have been if the request had of been 'I just bought a copy protected soft synth...can you tell me how to rip it'.
Geez, kids...
K
Go figure!
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- KVRAF
- 25033 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
kaden wrote:I wonder how helpful y'all would have been if the request had of been 'I just bought a copy protected soft synth...can you tell me how to rip it'.
Geez, kids...
K
rule #1: shoot first, then ask.
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- KVRAF
- 25033 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL TO COPY A CD YOU BOUGHT AS OFTEN AS YOU WISH TO FOR YOUR OWN USAGE - THIS RIGHT
IS PART OF THE COPYRIGHT LAW!!!
once again:
IS PART OF THE COPYRIGHT LAW!!!
once again:
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Lawnmower Of The Damned Lawnmower Of The Damned https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29783
- KVRian
- 850 posts since 16 Jun, 2004
I look at it this way:
I worked at a video game store for about a year. If someone purchased a game at our store, then cracked the game so he wouldn't have to root around for the CD every time he played, that was no sweat off my back.
Some game companies started to resort to such extreme copy-protection measures that most people actually HAD to crack the game in order to play it. Certain games wouldn't play properly if you had a cd burning application, or a virtual drive (Even if you uninstalled them, if there were any references to them then the game would freeze up). Our official response at the store was that the customer needed to reformat their hard-drive and not install any virtual drives or cd burning software. Our un-official response at the store was that there are free programs you can use to bypass the protection.
It's a sad day when game publishers get so out of hand that the people who pay for games get locked out, while the people who steal them can play the game.
So that's my round-about way of saying that if he payed for the CD, I don't see a problem with him making an electronic backup for his own uses. So long as no distribution takes place, I think that all is well and good.
And that's coming from a retailer.
I worked at a video game store for about a year. If someone purchased a game at our store, then cracked the game so he wouldn't have to root around for the CD every time he played, that was no sweat off my back.
Some game companies started to resort to such extreme copy-protection measures that most people actually HAD to crack the game in order to play it. Certain games wouldn't play properly if you had a cd burning application, or a virtual drive (Even if you uninstalled them, if there were any references to them then the game would freeze up). Our official response at the store was that the customer needed to reformat their hard-drive and not install any virtual drives or cd burning software. Our un-official response at the store was that there are free programs you can use to bypass the protection.
It's a sad day when game publishers get so out of hand that the people who pay for games get locked out, while the people who steal them can play the game.
So that's my round-about way of saying that if he payed for the CD, I don't see a problem with him making an electronic backup for his own uses. So long as no distribution takes place, I think that all is well and good.
And that's coming from a retailer.
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- KVRian
- 1262 posts since 15 Feb, 2003 from Up the Pennine way
My reason for doing this was so I could mp3 some tracks and put them on my mp3 player, something I should be entitled to do anyway.
In win 98:
If you are wondering how to turn off autoplay audio cd'd then you can use a free utility called tweak UI, its under Paranoia!
or use the registry...
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\CLASSES\AudioCD\shell]
[Default Value][value not set.]
PriviousCmd ""
fake
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You cant beat people up then have them say "I love you"
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- KVRian
- 723 posts since 31 Jan, 2003 from C@L
If I bought a copy protected audio CD that wouldn't play on my computer's CD player, I would return it immediately and get a refund.
If the store refused to give me a refund, I would leave the disc at the store, then call my credit card company and dispute the charge. When I tell them the situation and the fact that I left the goods at the store, they would most certainly chargeback the store and refund my money.
It's because of this type of copy protection, and the inability to determine whether an audio CD is copy protected or not, that has reduced my CD purchasing to almost zero (and I don't download illegal music either).
Instead, I use internet radio and listen to songs by KvR musicians!
Brian
If the store refused to give me a refund, I would leave the disc at the store, then call my credit card company and dispute the charge. When I tell them the situation and the fact that I left the goods at the store, they would most certainly chargeback the store and refund my money.
It's because of this type of copy protection, and the inability to determine whether an audio CD is copy protected or not, that has reduced my CD purchasing to almost zero (and I don't download illegal music either).
Instead, I use internet radio and listen to songs by KvR musicians!
Brian
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- KVRian
- 850 posts since 16 Jun, 2004
Interesting, so ham-fisted copy protection could boost the popularity of independant musicians...
Perhaps the record labels are onto a good idea after all
Perhaps the record labels are onto a good idea after all
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- KVRist
- 274 posts since 15 Nov, 2004 from Gainesville, FL USA
That's the same approach I've adopted. I think I've only bought one CD put out by a record label in the last two years.thenumber23 wrote:
Instead, I use internet radio and listen to songs by KvR musicians!
Going the indie/internet route #1 is Free, #2 Lands you a more unique, underground and/or cooler MP3 collection than your buddies have, #3 good karma so to speak if you're an unsigned artist hoping for folks to give your own musical productions a listen, and #4 keeps your hard earned dollars out of the hands of a manipulative bloodsucking music & media industry.
Ideas are bulletproof... I am not.
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- KVRian
- 509 posts since 3 Aug, 2002 from berlin
unfortunately not true anymore in germoney if cds have copyprotection. and that is in my eyes the reason why protection gets builed in. it's not to make cds safe - it doesn' work. It's to criminalize home copies and undermine the rights of consumers the copyrightlaw gives them.jens wrote:IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL TO COPY A CD YOU BOUGHT AS OFTEN AS YOU WISH TO FOR YOUR OWN USAGE - THIS RIGHT
IS PART OF THE COPYRIGHT LAW!!!
once again:
thats illegal. you're supposed to buy music twice if you want to listen on a portable device - the cd for home stereo use and the mp3s for your portable.fake wrote:My reason for doing this was so I could mp3 some tracks and put them on my mp3 player, something I should be entitled to do anyway. Wink
And don't even think of P2P - it's evil.
ngfnjhte?
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- KVRAF
- 1577 posts since 20 May, 2002 from Cambridge, UK
in this field, maybe people should be more concerned with what's ethical more than what's legal. If the record industry had their way, they'd break into your home, tie you to a chair and play you their cds and charge you for every second...
THIS IS MY MUSIC: https://spti.fi/rZyjX7i
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- KVRAF
- 25033 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
@Rokkon: r u sure? 
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- KVRAF
- 2323 posts since 4 Mar, 2004 from Portugal (Lagos)
Same herevidezyrah wrote:That's the same approach I've adopted. I think I've only bought one CD put out by a record label in the last two years.thenumber23 wrote:
Instead, I use internet radio and listen to songs by KvR musicians!
Going the indie/internet route #1 is Free, #2 Lands you a more unique, underground and/or cooler MP3 collection than your buddies have, #3 good karma so to speak if you're an unsigned artist hoping for folks to give your own musical productions a listen, and #4 keeps your hard earned dollars out of the hands of a manipulative bloodsucking music & media industry.
The industry in general (I know we are talking about several industries, neverthless) produce copy protected CDs at the same time that CD writers, mp3 players, etc. Sony plays on both trays, as we all know. And they expect consumers to respect copyright laws? Get serious.
Eventually something intelligent will appear written here. Watch this space.
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- KVRAF
- 25033 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
I just googled it and found out that the legal-expertsjens wrote:@Rokkon: r u sure?
don't share all the same opinion about how the law is to interpret.
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- KVRian
- 509 posts since 3 Aug, 2002 from berlin
yes jens I'm pretty sure the laws here just got recently changed on that. Using means to bypass copyprotection is not legal anymore, even when you bought the cd and it's only for your personal use.
However, for private use the german law designed no punishment for breaking this law.
Analog copies of protected cd are still legal however I think, though i guess nobody can assure that a clever lawyer doesn't argue that a cable is a tool to bypass protection technique 
However, for private use the german law designed no punishment for breaking this law.
Analog copies of protected cd are still legal however I think, though i guess nobody can assure that a clever lawyer doesn't argue that a cable is a tool to bypass protection technique
ngfnjhte?