and what is bad with any of your points exactly?
Vanguard2 by Refx out 25th of November!
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astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661
- Banned
- 361 posts since 30 Jun, 2019
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- KVRist
- 257 posts since 6 May, 2004 from Netherlands
They didn’t make a new synth. It uses some of the original code of the first version.
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- KVRAF
- 8504 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
did anyone test it yet with old projects/instances? i kinda doubt it is fully backwards compatible.
exactly, the GUI is not my cup of tea either, but im having an up to date 64 bit version of this vst which gets support again and is PURCHASABLE than nothing!
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- KVRian
- 1071 posts since 27 Apr, 2016
I imagine a demo might come post Black Friday. In the mean time some may grab it for small discount. GUI not the best and not really cheap either. It is not jumping out as an insta buy with no demo. We have time and small increase in price to bear, to think it through a bit.
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- KVRAF
- 3278 posts since 22 Aug, 2012
Not cheap, but does come with a load of decent presets in this 'complete' version. I suspect refx may introduce a cheaper version with a few presets as soon as they have new packs available to sell. Frustrating there's no demo, but surely that will come? For me it was GAS based on nostalgia and it doesn't disappoint if you know what to expect. M1 native, nice crisp GUI, good preset management, very immediate.
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- KVRian
- 1116 posts since 3 May, 2005 from Victoria, BC
Should be 95% compatible. The reverb is new, so it needs to map old params to new params, so that might sound a bit different. Everything else should sound the exact same.Caine123 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:09 pm did anyone test it yet with old projects/instances? i kinda doubt it is fully backwards compatible.
exactly, the GUI is not my cup of tea either, but im having an up to date 64 bit version of this vst which gets support again and is PURCHASABLE than nothing!
The UI uses the same skinning system as Nexus, so if you own that, you can copy all the skins over and most of them work ok. Otherwise you can make your own skin, I'm sure somebody will do a classic skin soon.
This is a WIP:
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- KVRian
- 721 posts since 19 Dec, 2003
Well, I was expecting more features and changes for v2 (maybe a second filter) and I don't like invasive activation. So I will stick with Tone2 Warlock, which is cheaper and it fills the gap perfectly.
- KVRist
- 246 posts since 22 Jun, 2020
I hope Vanguard 2 is successful for ReFX, as they were originally known for their synths like Plasticz, Beast and Slayer. And maybe those old ReFX synths can return in some way or another, even for just GAS collection nostalgia.
I tried the old Vanguard many years ago it never really grabbed me being spoiled by the more modern wavetable synths we have now, to me are more user friendly and powerful.
It's reminds me of people morning over Imageline killing off the TS-404 their 303 clone, IL replaced it with Bass Transistor which I think is far superior in quality and usability.
Nostalgia is a very powerful thing, people seeking the things from their youth with rose tinted glasses.
The smallest minority on earth is the individual.
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- KVRAF
- 3338 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
for me, it's the opposite. i like diving into 'new' synths, and for me, vanguard2 is new (i never used the original). i'll explore it, use it a bit. and we'll see if it's still in my 'active' plugins in 3-4 months...MJACau wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:48 pmI hope Vanguard 2 is successful for ReFX, as they were originally known for their synths like Plasticz, Beast and Slayer. And maybe those old ReFX synths can return in some way or another, even for just GAS collection nostalgia.
I tried the old Vanguard many years ago it never really grabbed me being spoiled by the more modern wavetable synths we have now, to me are more user friendly and powerful.
It's reminds me of people morning over Imageline killing off the TS-404 their 303 clone, IL replaced it with Bass Transistor which I think is far superior in quality and usability.
Nostalgia is a very powerful thing, people seeking the things from their youth with rose tinted glasses.
- vvvvvvv
- 2578 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
It's interesting how people defend the need for this ancient softsynth.
The real inheritor of Vanguard is VPS Avenger, which afaik completed the project that Vanguard began, ie, be a Virus but be better.
btw the original Vanguard demo mp3 was one of the best demo tunes ever written, and in it's day was a game changer.
imo setting the new standard of demo tune was Vanguard's main real legacy.
Everything else was washed away by the new wavetable synths (spire, avenger, serum anyone) that blew it completely out of the water.
The real inheritor of Vanguard is VPS Avenger, which afaik completed the project that Vanguard began, ie, be a Virus but be better.
btw the original Vanguard demo mp3 was one of the best demo tunes ever written, and in it's day was a game changer.
imo setting the new standard of demo tune was Vanguard's main real legacy.
Everything else was washed away by the new wavetable synths (spire, avenger, serum anyone) that blew it completely out of the water.
Member 12, Studio One v6.5, VPS Avenger, Kontakt 7, Spitfire, Dune, Arturia, Sonible, Baby Audio, CableGuys, Nektar Panorama P1, Vaporizer 2 to test out
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- KVRAF
- 2008 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from between my ears
- KVRAF
- 3338 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
you mean, i can't use this and spire, etc? hmmm...kevvvvv wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:13 pm It's interesting how people defend the need for this ancient softsynth.
The real inheritor of Vanguard is VPS Avenger, which afaik completed the project that Vanguard began, ie, be a Virus but be better.
btw the original Vanguard demo mp3 was one of the best demo tunes ever written, and in it's day was a game changer.
imo setting the new standard of demo tune was Vanguard's main real legacy.
Everything else was washed away by the new wavetable synths (spire, avenger, serum anyone) that blew it completely out of the water.
- vvvvvvv
- 2578 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
No that's right. Each to their own.
Here's the old spec they're still selling at £70
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/vanguard-by-refx
It'll be interesting to see what the offer is when V2 comes out in a few days, but I'm not holding my breath for a new synth in a KVR world that already has a whopping 35 pages of softsynths to browse.
Here's the old spec they're still selling at £70
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/vanguard-by-refx
It'll be interesting to see what the offer is when V2 comes out in a few days, but I'm not holding my breath for a new synth in a KVR world that already has a whopping 35 pages of softsynths to browse.
Member 12, Studio One v6.5, VPS Avenger, Kontakt 7, Spitfire, Dune, Arturia, Sonible, Baby Audio, CableGuys, Nektar Panorama P1, Vaporizer 2 to test out
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- KVRAF
- 2008 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from between my ears