What are the best reasons to use VST3 over VST2? or should I just use CLAP?

[v1o]

while the DAWs with the largest market share won't be supporting CLAP at all.

If we're talking about marketshare Ableton Live and Fl Studio will likely support CLAP at some point.

[jamcat]

They pale compared to the big 3: Logic, Cubase, Pro Tools.
That’s practically the entire audio industry right there.

[Tj Shredder]

Avid/ProTools is on the list of the companies who are interested… It could even be, that the licensing of VST was one of the reasons why they made their own format… And as the wrappers for VST/AU are simple to create, CLAP would indirectly run in Logic/Cubendo as well. The same as plugins based on VST2 run in VST3 only hosts now…

[jamcat]

No. No and no.

Pro Tools had their own format before VST was even a thing. They had 3 of them before VST was a thing, to be exact. And they’re on their 4th proprietary format now. They are proprietary, licensed, and run on DigiDesign/Avid hardware. That’s the core of their whole damn business.

Pro Tools is never going to support anything other than its own proprietary format that Avid has total control over. Anyone involved with CLAP that even dropped Avid’s name only embarrassed themselves.

A competitor was handing out free information and Avid took it. Same with a lot of developers. End of story. CLAP team just looks desperate and foolish touting it.

[Urs]

Anyone involved with CLAP that even dropped Avid’s name only embarrassed themselves.

You mean, like the high ranking executive at Avid who signed off on the statement?

Are you aware that every single company in the original statement has given their express okay to the text? That it was e.g. reviewed by the legal department at Epic Games and all that?

I think the embarrassment is with those who still can't wrap their head around what we do. So they go around and pretend like CLAP hasn't had the highest adoption rate of any plug-in format in the first 6 months after being published. But it does. And no whinging and trolling will change that.

[Aleksey Vaneev]

I'll jump CLAP bandwagon, it may be a necessary inconvenience if users start asking for it. Other than that, it will be much fun to see "big brothers" killing their own technology. So, I'm not betting on it... I'm betting on VST3, AAX, and AudioUnits adopting features similar to CLAP. Free lunch to them.

[El°HYM]

I'll jump CLAP bandwagon, it may be a necessary inconvenience if users start asking for it. Other than that, it will be much fun to see "big brothers" killing their own technology. So, I'm not betting on it... I'm betting on VST3, AAX, and AudioUnits adopting features similar to CLAP. Free lunch to them.

There is no 'Free Lunch' in Capitalism. Very good News, Aleksey.

[Urs]

Yeah, hahaha, good luck with that!

[jamcat]

Anyone involved with CLAP that even dropped Avid’s name only embarrassed themselves.

You mean, like the high ranking executive at Avid who signed off on the statement?

Are you aware that every single company in the original statement has given their express okay to the text? That it was e.g. reviewed by the legal department at Epic Games and all that?

I think the embarrassment is with those who still can't wrap their head around what we do. So they go around and pretend like CLAP hasn't had the highest adoption rate of any plug-in format in the first 6 months after being published. But it does. And no whinging and trolling will change that.

You’re missing the point entirely. You know as well as I do that Avid is never going to adopt any 3rd party format for Pro Tools, be it CLAP or otherwise. They’re less likely to than even Apple.

Also, I call BS on your adoption rate claim. I’m quite sure AAX has CLAP beat by quite a lot.

[Aleksey Vaneev]

Very good News, Aleksey.

Well, at the moment demand is very low. As you may know, we accept User Survey replies all the year round. So far it's almost crickets regarding CLAP. I'll be monitoring it.

[FapFilter]

I'll jump CLAP bandwagon...

nice to see Voxengo not being in the "off-board" camp

while CLAP is not a must for me yet, i'd really love to see it getting more momentum, should the time arrive when VST2 development is put to a halt altogether.
it'd also benefit VST3-only-DAW users, since some good competition could finally encourage Steinberg a bit more to improve their plugin standard(s).

by the way: could anyone point us to that list of "interested developers"?

[MuTools]

it will be much fun to see "big brothers" killing their own technology. So, I'm not betting on it... I'm betting on VST3, AAX, and AudioUnits adopting features similar to CLAP. Free lunch to them.

If they also adopt the open and gentle license model then that's good. (they won't)
It's one of the Key Features of CLAP, imho.
Besides nice new tech extras.

[Aleksey Vaneev]

by the way: could anyone point us to that list of "interested developers"?

Being interested is not the same as actually implementing it at some point. So, such list is not very useful anyway. I like the idea of a widely-adopted, simple, and free licensed audio plugin API. At the same time, I openly dislike CLAP's "thread-pool" approach when I imagine our TEOTE or Soniformer being inserted last in a track's chain. I'll get problems most likely. At the moment "thread-pool" is being tested on instruments that usually come first in chain. There may be other unexplored issues as well. Plugin APIs are never a breeze to adopt from both plugin and host developer sides. And as usually happens, quantity brings bad qualities into sight.

[FapFilter]

Being interested is not the same as actually implementing it at some point.

i know, but it's still sounding like they are more interested than what you usually get as an answer for "will you be developing for Linux at one point?"

At the same time, I openly dislike CLAP's "thread-pool" approach when I imagine our TEOTE or Soniformer being inserted last in a track's chain. I'll get problems most likely. At the moment "thread-pool" is being tested on instruments that usually come first in chain. There may be other unexplored issues as well. Plugin APIs are never a breeze to adopt from both plugin and host developer sides. And as usually happens, quantity brings bad qualities into sight.

i see.
what do you think about VST3?
i think i've never read truly positive developer's opinions on it. only either more or less negative, or like most do, don't say anything about it at all.
also the adoption rate, when it's even taking some of the biggest developers a decade, sometimes even longer to finally go VST3 (and they seemingly had been threatened by the future situation of VST2) is not an indication of VST3's true greatness IMO

[Aleksey Vaneev]

Simply put, I do not like VST3. I may rant about it like mad, but won't do it. This will not change anything and I will only feel bad next time talking to Steinberg representatives.