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mark77 · Post by **mark77** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:00 am

Personally, I love trance. But it has to be high quality. Meaningless cheese and crap is NOT what trance is all about and should NOT be called trance.

So what i love about good trance is the fact that it's atmopheric, futuristic, sounds clean and well produced, and th songs are LONG and repetitive. it is very versatile (uplifting, serious, slow, fast, hard, soft) it goes off in a club just as much as in your car, etc. so there really is a type of trance for every mood. So thats what i love about it.

I hate people who think/say that trance is so simple and braindead and all you have to do is 'hold down a few keys' to make it, I've even heard some moron say that they 'could write a program that makes trance' its so simple. Yeah? well have u listened to RnB/Rap lately? Entire songs consist of nothing more than variations of a single loop and some freaky annoying noise/cute element in the background. Yet you never hear people complaining about that.. I've never heard anyone say 'all rnB sounds the same' yet trance gets it all the time... anyways.. time to hear your opinion.

hjack · Post by **hjack** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:03 am

trance stimulates women places..

ahja · Post by **ahja** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:14 am

Hi mark.. I'll play devils advocate here, and would like to say that with your quote below, you are being just as closeminded as folks who say 'trance sucks, its mindless'. Be careful what you say around here, cause there are indeed plenty of talented hiphop/rnb artists that you probably have never heard. You're just judging what you hear on the radio and MTV. This goes both ways to the anti-trance people, and you.

mark77 wrote:I hate people who think/say that trance is so simple and braindead and all you have to do is 'hold down a few keys' to make it, I've even heard some moron say that they 'could write a program that makes trance' its so simple. Yeah? well have u listened to RnB/Rap lately? Entire songs consist of nothing more than variations of a single loop and some freaky annoying noise/cute element in the background. Yet you never hear people complaining about that.. I've never heard anyone say 'all rnB sounds the same' yet trance gets it all the time... anyways.. time to hear your opinion.

I don't wanna get too involved in this thread as I know it will probably get to about 20 pages of nonsense... So, I'm gonna leave it at that.

cron · Post by **cron** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:21 am

mark77 wrote:I've never heard anyone say 'all rnB sounds the same' yet trance gets it all the time... anyways.. time to hear your opinion.

Just to even things up a little, I think they're both shit.

In all fairness though, I think you can say as a general rule that music which is made primarily for home listening gets more respect than, say, music which is seen to be made for clubs/dancing, or some other purpose.

And of course everyone (or maybe this is just a brit thing) will forever associate trance with the McTrance shit that flooded MTV a couple of years ago. Airwave, Binary Finary, DJ Sammy and the like. Each seemingly containing 70 saws playing at once over a 60/40 mix of beats and euphoric breakdown.

Bring on the allcaps Fruityloops jokes!

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:55 am

mark77 wrote:Personally, I love trance. But it has to be high quality. Meaningless cheese and crap is NOT what trance is all about and should NOT be called trance.

So what i love about good trance is the fact that it's atmopheric, futuristic, sounds clean and well produced, and th songs are LONG and repetitive. it is very versatile (uplifting, serious, slow, fast, hard, soft) it goes off in a club just as much as in your car, etc. so there really is a type of trance for every mood. So thats what i love about it.

I hate people who think/say that trance is so simple and braindead and all you have to do is 'hold down a few keys' to make it, I've even heard some moron say that they 'could write a program that makes trance' its so simple. Yeah? well have u listened to RnB/Rap lately? Entire songs consist of nothing more than variations of a single loop and some freaky annoying noise/cute element in the background. Yet you never hear people complaining about that.. I've never heard anyone say 'all rnB sounds the same' yet trance gets it all the time... anyways.. time to hear your opinion.

1. At least the best hip-hop tracks of the past & present are funky & banging. I can never say the same things about the best or worst trance tracks.

2. Trance is too predictible. Beautiful string pads. Lush piano parts. But for the most part, most of today trances (import to USA) is basically the same damn beats in the same damn tempo. Will the beats ever change sometimes?

3. Trance is trying too hard to be classical.

Maybe I'm not be fair. But I'm honest.

insaneacyde · Post by **insaneacyde** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 7:27 am

cron wrote:
mark77 wrote:I've never heard anyone say 'all rnB sounds the same' yet trance gets it all the time... anyways.. time to hear your opinion.
Just to even things up a little, I think they're both shit.

Oh, I didnt know there was a difference between them

could it be that trance uses some swedish porn star (who cant speak english) vocals and r'n'b records a cat taking a shit with its bum sewn up for vocals

actually music with vocals is usually miff these days, it's got to do with the fact that it's a product "rambled off the path into a ditch"

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:21 am

annoying, predictable, boring

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:24 am

i don't hate trance, BTW

i've listened to some interesting tracks.

however, usually this is not my cup of tea...

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:33 am

TonyVanDam wrote:1. At least the best hip-hop tracks of the past & present are funky & banging.

You're kidding, right? hip-hop is a joke. Really. C'mon, its dull, boring and the idiots who make it are about as homogenised as they come. Surely its the laughing stock of the music industry?

As for trance - I like a lot of trance sounds, I like the way the arrangements ramp up the energy but after that it just gets boring. Like a lot of dance styles, I get quite excited initially but after 2 minutes of waiting for the song to kick in I get bored and move on.

skybax · Post by **skybax** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:34 am

IMHO a trance track potentially works when there are NO supersaw leads.

Synthpopkid · Post by **Synthpopkid** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:35 am

I get quite excited initially but after 2 minutes of waiting for the song to kick in I get bored and move on.

Stop listening to VNV Nation then.

oblagon · Post by **oblagon** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:48 am

reasons i like trance:

- emphasized melodies; rhythm is simple and brings forth the melodies.
- energy
- abundance of saw leads

- abundance of arpeggios
- simple rhythm section, i'm not a drummer nor a bas player, keep that shit simple
- in case of goa, psy - exotic, aggressive, sci-fi sound
- entirely synth based music

dervish · Post by **dervish** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:54 am

I was a psytrance head 10 years ago. I am not hearing any trance music these days which doesn't seem somewhat formulaic. However I do enjoy a lot of music by producers who used to make trance, but have evolved onwards, for example Ben Watkins (Juno Reactor), Simon Posford (Shpongle, Hallucinogen, Younger Brother, etc), or Yaniv Shulman (Shulman). I still hear a lot of psytrance influences in their music, but it has actually evolved, unlike most of the formulaic dancefloor psytrance.

Orbitutle · Post by **Orbitutle** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:58 am

TVD wrote:

2. Trance is too predictible. Beautiful string pads. Lush piano parts. But for the most part, most of today trances (import to USA) is basically the same damn beats in the same damn tempo. Will the beats ever change sometimes?

I could say the exact same about most mainstream hip hop, crunk, rnb track that is mainstream atm.. I love both trance and hip hop styles, but thats becourse I 'mostly' listen to some of the good 'sometimes rare underground' artists and not the mainstream cheasy crap thats out there..

For the good trance tracks I would advice people to try out some of the tracks suggested in this thread:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 147#797147

As for the hip hop, I would suggest tracks like Aesop Rock - Daylight, Masta Ace - Acknowledge or try out some of the more interesting hop hop/jazz mix tracks from Guru's Jazzmatazz Streetsoul album..

I still would like to add that I hate bad trance just as much as I hate bad hip hop.. But the to styles are to different to be compared directly.. I hear a lot of different styles depending on what Im in..

oblagon · Post by **oblagon** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:59 am

dervish wrote: I am not hearing any trance music these days which doesn't seem somewhat formulaic.

isn't every music style formulaic ?

why you love/hate trance