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vitocorleone123
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Post Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:41 pm

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:14 am I watched Tai Chi (full/standard) walkthrough video and now it makes me want it more than Lite. It's not as daunting as I originally thought and the advanced controls actually seem to be very useful. Also, there are 200 more presets than Lite, which should make things easier.

https://vimeo.com/744916251?embedded=tr ... =115984801
Buying Lite first and then upgrading to the Standard version using the 10% loyalty discount will provide a $7 saving compared to buying the Standard version outright for $99. It will also give some time to make the upgrade decision, as there are about 11 days still left in the sale.

This might be the most I would be spending for a single effect plugin ever, but I think it deserves it. After checking out demos of other LS/RF plugins, I think Tai Chi alone should be more than enough for me. It sounds the most impressive to me and also the GUI is absolutely gorgeous.
TC is a great general purpose reverb with a "vintage" flair. Lots of flexibility and depth. Lustrous Plates can do better plates, though. If you want to use 3rd party IRs plus get the M7 and Lexicon IRs as part of it, Reverberate 3 is a fantastic deal.

HDCart and Seventh Heaven are emulations, so, unless you want/love the originals, they aren't "needed".

Cinematic Rooms is more realistic (but can also have some color) and beautiful to my ears - but can't get wild like TC.

And then there's Illusion.

Generally speaking, the full versions are noticeably better than the standard ones - even if you work in stereo rather than surround.

This guy isn't my favorite presenter, but he does a good job of giving a detailed overview of Tai Chi
https://youtu.be/Zbdbo7kiDUk

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zerocrossing
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Post Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:35 pm

Hey everyone, not to put a stop to the discussion, but I decided that I had enough vintage digital reverbs (I've got nearly all the UAD models, as well as the Lexicon ones) so I went with Cinematic Rooms Pro. It seemed like a great all-rounder, which is what I was after.
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vitocorleone123
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Post Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:47 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:35 pm Hey everyone, not to put a stop to the discussion, but I decided that I had enough vintage digital reverbs (I've got nearly all the UAD models, as well as the Lexicon ones) so I went with Cinematic Rooms Pro. It seemed like a great all-rounder, which is what I was after.
Definitely fills in a “gap” the vintage ones don’t cover. But if the vintage ones allow muting the early reflections you can always mute the tail on CRP and use the ERs there and a vintage tail sound. And so on. Mix and match.

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martiu
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Post Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:52 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:35 pm Hey everyone, not to put a stop to the discussion, but I decided that I had enough vintage digital reverbs (I've got nearly all the UAD models, as well as the Lexicon ones) so I went with Cinematic Rooms Pro. It seemed like a great all-rounder, which is what I was after.
having enough reverbs is a myth, same goes for granular synths and FX
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LoveEnigma18
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Post Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:57 pm

vitocorleone123 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:41 pm
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:14 am I watched Tai Chi (full/standard) walkthrough video and now it makes me want it more than Lite. It's not as daunting as I originally thought and the advanced controls actually seem to be very useful. Also, there are 200 more presets than Lite, which should make things easier.

https://vimeo.com/744916251?embedded=tr ... =115984801
Buying Lite first and then upgrading to the Standard version using the 10% loyalty discount will provide a $7 saving compared to buying the Standard version outright for $99. It will also give some time to make the upgrade decision, as there are about 11 days still left in the sale.

This might be the most I would be spending for a single effect plugin ever, but I think it deserves it. After checking out demos of other LS/RF plugins, I think Tai Chi alone should be more than enough for me. It sounds the most impressive to me and also the GUI is absolutely gorgeous.
TC is a great general purpose reverb with a "vintage" flair. Lots of flexibility and depth. Lustrous Plates can do better plates, though. If you want to use 3rd party IRs plus get the M7 and Lexicon IRs as part of it, Reverberate 3 is a fantastic deal.

HDCart and Seventh Heaven are emulations, so, unless you want/love the originals, they aren't "needed".

Cinematic Rooms is more realistic (but can also have some color) and beautiful to my ears - but can't get wild like TC.

And then there's Illusion.

Generally speaking, the full versions are noticeably better than the standard ones - even if you work in stereo rather than surround.

This guy isn't my favorite presenter, but he does a good job of giving a detailed overview of Tai Chi
https://youtu.be/Zbdbo7kiDUk
Thanks for explaining the differences, it helps. :)

I am indeed going to ignore HDCart and Seventh Heaven.

Cinematic Rooms might be worth considering, but then the overall cost will quickly escalate. Tai Chi full version sounds like a good all-rounder for me and I like it's sound and user interface. And as you said, it sounds more of a general purpose reverb for use in song mixes. I will check out the above video tonight.

By the way, what are all the "vintage reverbs" people are mentioning? Guess it's about clean/realistic sounding vs colourful reverbs?

So, for example, one would choose Cinematic Rooms for a cleaner sounding reverb and compliment it with Tai Chi for a more colourful/vintage sounding reverb?

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jens
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Post Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:35 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:35 pm Hey everyone, not to put a stop to the discussion, but I decided that I had enough vintage digital reverbs (I've got nearly all the UAD models, as well as the Lexicon ones) so I went with Cinematic Rooms Pro. It seemed like a great all-rounder, which is what I was after.

Did you rule out Tai Chi with this reasoning? It isn't "vintage digital" at all.
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zerocrossing
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:20 am

jens wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:35 pm
zerocrossing wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:35 pm Hey everyone, not to put a stop to the discussion, but I decided that I had enough vintage digital reverbs (I've got nearly all the UAD models, as well as the Lexicon ones) so I went with Cinematic Rooms Pro. It seemed like a great all-rounder, which is what I was after.

Did you rule out Tai Chi with this reasoning? It isn't "vintage digital" at all.
No, I liked the sound of Tai Chi, but my budget is tight this year and for what I’m doing it seemed that I’d use CRP a lot more, and I already have a bunch of other good reverb plugins. Maybe mid year I’ll look at Tai Chi again.
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LoveEnigma18
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:40 am

I am unable to find the factory presets location for Tai Chi Lite, which I just bought. Does anyone know if we can access the factory presets folder and where if yes?

By the way, the 10% off discount coupon I received doesn't work for Tai Chi or Tai Chi Upgrade. What a bummer!

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zvenx
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:45 am

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:40 am ...

By the way, the 10% off discount coupon I received doesn't work for Tai Chi or Tai Chi Upgrade. What a bummer!
Hmmm I assume you tried and it didn't work?

I didn't see that restriction here (unless I missed it)
https://www.liquidsonics.com/upgrades/
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LoveEnigma18
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:53 am

zvenx wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:45 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:40 am ...

By the way, the 10% off discount coupon I received doesn't work for Tai Chi or Tai Chi Upgrade. What a bummer!
Hmmm I assume you tried and it didn't work?

I didn't see that restriction here (unless I missed it)
https://www.liquidsonics.com/upgrades/
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Yes, I did. I also asked support and they got back to me saying it is not allowed so as to be fair with those who bought Standard edition outright. Standard/lite/upgrade of any product are all considered to be the same line of products and discounts are not allowed for them. Not a big deal, but it would have been nice for sure.

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zvenx
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:54 am

Understood.

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ChamomileShark
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:06 am

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:53 am
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By the way, the 10% off discount coupon I received doesn't work for Tai Chi or Tai Chi Upgrade. What a bummer!
I also asked support and they got back to me saying it is not allowed so as to be fair with those who bought Standard edition outright. Standard/lite/upgrade of any product are all considered to be the same line of products and discounts are not allowed for them. Not a big deal, but it would have been nice for sure.
Just trying to understand this..are you saying that you had Tai Chi Lite and therefore had a 10% discount, only you ould not apply it to a Tai Chi upgrade? Or is it something else?
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LoveEnigma18
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:09 am

ChamomileShark wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:06 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:53 am
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By the way, the 10% off discount coupon I received doesn't work for Tai Chi or Tai Chi Upgrade. What a bummer!
I also asked support and they got back to me saying it is not allowed so as to be fair with those who bought Standard edition outright. Standard/lite/upgrade of any product are all considered to be the same line of products and discounts are not allowed for them. Not a big deal, but it would have been nice for sure.
Just trying to understand this..are you saying that you had Tai Chi Lite and therefore had a 10% discount, only you ould not apply it to a Tai Chi upgrade? Or is it something else?
I bought Tai Chi Lite and received my (first) 10% off coupon. This coupon doesn't work for Tai Chi Full or Tai Chi Upgrade if I add them to the cart. It works for other LS products though. I just took a chance and thought to use Tai Chi Lite for a bit and see if it is sufficient. I might buy the Tai Chi Upgrade a bit later if needed since overall it will still be $99 as if purchasing Tai Chi full outright.

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zvenx
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:15 am

Just make sure you do it before the sale ends.
So far their sales are really once a year.
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vitocorleone123
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:31 pm

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:57 pm
vitocorleone123 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:41 pm
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:14 am I watched Tai Chi (full/standard) walkthrough video and now it makes me want it more than Lite. It's not as daunting as I originally thought and the advanced controls actually seem to be very useful. Also, there are 200 more presets than Lite, which should make things easier.

https://vimeo.com/744916251?embedded=tr ... =115984801
Buying Lite first and then upgrading to the Standard version using the 10% loyalty discount will provide a $7 saving compared to buying the Standard version outright for $99. It will also give some time to make the upgrade decision, as there are about 11 days still left in the sale.

This might be the most I would be spending for a single effect plugin ever, but I think it deserves it. After checking out demos of other LS/RF plugins, I think Tai Chi alone should be more than enough for me. It sounds the most impressive to me and also the GUI is absolutely gorgeous.
TC is a great general purpose reverb with a "vintage" flair. Lots of flexibility and depth. Lustrous Plates can do better plates, though. If you want to use 3rd party IRs plus get the M7 and Lexicon IRs as part of it, Reverberate 3 is a fantastic deal.

HDCart and Seventh Heaven are emulations, so, unless you want/love the originals, they aren't "needed".

Cinematic Rooms is more realistic (but can also have some color) and beautiful to my ears - but can't get wild like TC.

And then there's Illusion.

Generally speaking, the full versions are noticeably better than the standard ones - even if you work in stereo rather than surround.

This guy isn't my favorite presenter, but he does a good job of giving a detailed overview of Tai Chi
https://youtu.be/Zbdbo7kiDUk
By the way, what are all the "vintage reverbs" people are mentioning? Guess it's about clean/realistic sounding vs colourful reverbs?

So, for example, one would choose Cinematic Rooms for a cleaner sounding reverb and compliment it with Tai Chi for a more colourful/vintage sounding reverb?
Vintage = Lexicon, for example (among others).

Yes, Cinematic rooms (esp Pro) aims for realism, but you can add some modest color to it. TaiChi aims to be a flexible reverb, and can sound realistic or unrealistic. Cinematic Rooms can't have as much color to it as TaiChi can, and TaiChi isn't as good a realistic rooms and halls (etc) as Cinematic Rooms.

There's some overlap. TaiChi is the most flexible of the two, and is a very solid choice. If you were going to compliment it with another from Liquidsonics to get the most for your money, I'd suggest Lustrous Plates as having the least amount of overlap, or Reverberate 3 if you want to get into using IRs (including several fantastic sets that are included).

If I was limited to one and only one reverb, I'd use Cinematic Rooms Pro. Thankfully, I can also use TaiChi and Lustrous Plates Surround (I only work in stereo - the top-end version generally give a lot more control), plus have several others in my "less used" reverb sub-folder.

But it really comes down to using the demos and using your ears to see what they love the most, not your wallet (which also factors in, of course).

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