why you love/hate trance

[druid]

I've never heard anyone say 'all rnB sounds the same' yet trance gets it all the time... anyways.. time to hear your opinion.

You haven't??

I have, plenty of times, more so for rnb and rap than trance.

Personally, I feel the same way about both. They are repetitive, they sound shallow to me, and they annoy me greatly.

HOWEVER I would like to point out that this is probably because I hear them all the time. I have been known to like the occasional trance tune (presumably not the mass-produced variety which I would agree a program could be written to make - I mean tracks that are produced to sound good with honest intent behind them instead of to sell yet another trance track to the club DJs - easy profit, surely...)

RnB isn't in quite the same field, and yet... They all sound the same. Again, there are a few that differ and I think I'm more likely to appreciate them. Rap/hiphop as well.

In fact, probably any style. People seem to find a niche within one genre and then like only a few tracks from other genres. I listen to a lot of industrial and I'm sure that some would say it all sounds the same too. Fair comment, I wouldn't know because that is where I've placed myself as far as musical genre interest is concerned.

More than genre or anything else, what I don't like is the mindless masses. It isn't the music, it's the people that are mindless. They hear another tune and it sounds the same as the last and they praise it for being great merely because it sounds cool in a club environment or whatever.

But those people's opinions don't count because they don't care about the music itself. They care about the environment they're in and they just want some bangin' music in the background (read: above everything else so you can't hear anything else).

These are my opinions, anyway. I tend to avoid what I hear everyone else play merely because it no longer feels personal, I get sick of hearing it.

Music I like is music I wish to listen to at home, by myself and appreciating myself. Other people ruin it for me.

:) Ok I'm done creating enemies!

[BONES]

However I do enjoy a lot of music by producers who used to make trance, but have evolved onwards, for example Ben Watkins (Juno Reactor)

Ben Watkins stopped being interesting long before Juno Reactor. Long live The Flowerpot Men!

[bluedad]

All I'm try to say to you, Bones, or anyone else in general, is that there is no way that we can put trance & hip-hop in the same sentence to begin with.

I think you were the first person in this thread to bring up hip-hop.

[advaya]

C'mon now Tony... saying something like 'musician X is great, while musician Y is boring' is rather subjective huh? If you really think that you are going to sway someone's opinion with statements like that, you are sorely deluding yourself!

The whole trance argument is seemingly endless. I have never seen a genre of music split the listening community, as much as the 'Blair Witch Project' split the movie-buff community...

I will admit to being a closet 'trance fan' but I will agree that the cookie-cutter tracks ala Sandstorm and Robert Miles got a little dull... Ghaaa... the T909 sample hell!

I do really like the new trance that is built upon really heavy and driving breakbeats (DJ Chris Lawrence for example). It has rekindled my fondness of dancefloor tracks...

Bahhh... just my opinion...

All I'm try to say to you, Bones, or anyone else in general, is that there is no way that we can put trance & hip-hop in the same sentence to begin with.

Bones thinks that all hip-hop was (is) a mistake. I'm just doing my best to help him by showing him that the old-school hip-hop was (and still is IMHO) way better than some of the rubbish on MTV. Period.

As for trance (and I will stand by every last word), most of the tracks from this very genre is not good at all. I already gave specifics back on page 1.

I like to ask you this important question Advaya:

I had a chance to see Christopher Lawrence perform at a rave 2 years ago (Cyberfest 2002). His trance mix was OK my ears.

But seriously, how in the hell can you tell the different between a Christopher Lawrence trance track from a Paul Van Dyk trance track, or a Sandra Collins trance track (especially if most of their mixes sounds the same)?

If House, Breakbeats, & Electro can bring the funk, why not Trance?

Was Sandra Collins ever trance? The two times I have seen her, it was nothin but house... At least she's kinda HOT! (in person... not her cheesy cd covers, and flyers)...

Well, comparing the tracks from different DJs is kinda moot, as its usually not their own songs they spin anyway... The only reason I mentioned Chris Lawrence is because he has started to spin a lot of that new North American trance that uses a lot of hard-hitting breakbeats rather than the tried-and-true T909 rhythms... I like it because it offers a whole lot more variety... And it just sounds so damn HUGE in a good venue!

I just think it's a little presumptuous to think that you'll really sway someone else's opinion by saying 'this genre is better than that...' That's all...

[bluedad]

I heard a track, I think it was a bt remix 'forbidden fruit'
wow, the pads, arps and all were just breathtaking!
most tracks don't effect me that way, but when it's good, it's good!

[BONES]

No offence Bones, It's time of you to study the old-school American hip-hop from the the 1980's only.
It's way better than most of the rubbish that you seen on MTV.

No it isn't, it is equally devoid of anything even remotely interesting. Anyway, I am far more aware of that stuff than anything that might be popular today as there has been no reason to pay any attention to the radio ro TV for years.

[CypherOne]

Anyway, I am far more aware of that stuff than anything that might be popular today as there has been no reason to pay any attention to the radio ro TV for years.

how do you know if you don't listen to radio or watch TV?

[BONES]

listen to some of the good 'sometimes rare underground' artists and not the mainstream cheasy crap thats out there..

For the good trance tracks I would advice people to try out some of the tracks suggested in this thread:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 147#797147

man, if I had a buck for everytime I've had that advice. Infected Mushroom have been out here several times, mostly promoted by a very good friend of mine who long ago stopped trying to play me trance tracks that he thought I would get into. It has energy but lacks the aggression I look for in music.

[TVD]

All I'm try to say to you, Bones, or anyone else in general, is that there is no way that we can put trance & hip-hop in the same sentence to begin with.

I think you were the first person in this thread to bring up hip-hop.

There's R&B. And then there Hip-Hop & R&B

If I say R&B alone, think about Motown, Stax, Anita Baker, Teena Marie, Stevie Wonder, etc.

If I say Hip-Hop/R&B, think about Destiny's Child, Mary J. Blige, etc.

If I say Hip-Hop alone, think two options: sing or rap. Your call.

Rap is what you do. Hip-Hop is how you live.
---KRS-One 1994

[TVD]

All I'm try to say to you, Bones, or anyone else in general, is that there is no way that we can put trance & hip-hop in the same sentence to begin with.

I think you were the first person in this thread to bring up hip-hop.

Not quite, it was Ahja back on page 1.

[TVD]

No offence Bones, It's time of you to study the old-school American hip-hop from the the 1980's only.
It's way better than most of the rubbish that you seen on MTV.

No it isn't, it is equally devoid of anything even remotely interesting. Anyway, I am far more aware of that stuff than anything that might be popular today as there has been no reason to pay any attention to the radio ro TV for years.

Come on. You didn't like RUN-DMC, LL Cool J, or any of Rick Rubin's productions of the 1980's?

Or Rick's best work ever with Jay-Z's final hit "99 Problems"?

[TVD]

C'mon now Tony... saying something like 'musician X is great, while musician Y is boring' is rather subjective huh? If you really think that you are going to sway someone's opinion with statements like that, you are sorely deluding yourself!

The whole trance argument is seemingly endless. I have never seen a genre of music split the listening community, as much as the 'Blair Witch Project' split the movie-buff community...

I will admit to being a closet 'trance fan' but I will agree that the cookie-cutter tracks ala Sandstorm and Robert Miles got a little dull... Ghaaa... the T909 sample hell!

I do really like the new trance that is built upon really heavy and driving breakbeats (DJ Chris Lawrence for example). It has rekindled my fondness of dancefloor tracks...

Bahhh... just my opinion...

All I'm try to say to you, Bones, or anyone else in general, is that there is no way that we can put trance & hip-hop in the same sentence to begin with.

Bones thinks that all hip-hop was (is) a mistake. I'm just doing my best to help him by showing him that the old-school hip-hop was (and still is IMHO) way better than some of the rubbish on MTV. Period.

As for trance (and I will stand by every last word), most of the tracks from this very genre is not good at all. I already gave specifics back on page 1.

I like to ask you this important question Advaya:

I had a chance to see Christopher Lawrence perform at a rave 2 years ago (Cyberfest 2002). His trance mix was OK my ears.

But seriously, how in the hell can you tell the different between a Christopher Lawrence trance track from a Paul Van Dyk trance track, or a Sandra Collins trance track (especially if most of their mixes sounds the same)?

If House, Breakbeats, & Electro can bring the funk, why not Trance?

Was Sandra Collins ever trance? The two times I have seen her, it was nothin but house... At least she's kinda HOT! (in person... not her cheesy cd covers, and flyers)...

Well, comparing the tracks from different DJs is kinda moot, as its usually not their own songs they spin anyway... The only reason I mentioned Chris Lawrence is because he has started to spin a lot of that new North American trance that uses a lot of hard-hitting breakbeats rather than the tried-and-true T909 rhythms... I like it because it offers a whole lot more variety... And it just sounds so damn HUGE in a good venue!

I just think it's a little presumptuous to think that you'll really sway someone else's opinion by saying 'this genre is better than that...' That's all...

Trust me. I'm no match with Bones in that regard. He really believe that Hip-Hop/Rap was a mistake.

And Hip-Hop criticisms are worse than Trance criticisms, hands down.

[tetraplan]

That Aurora Borealis thing on F-Comm, was that trance? I liked that.

Groet, Erik

[BONES]

how do you know if you don't listen to radio or watch TV?

Whether you deliberately tune in or not, its pretty hard to escape totally, especially when you do work for MTV. It's just that in the 80's and '90's there was enough worthwhile stuff around that it was worth specifically tuning in at times, so my exposure was greater then.

Come on. You didn't like RUN-DMC, LL Cool J, or any of Rick Rubin's productions of the 1980's?

Or Rick's best work ever with Jay-Z's final hit "99 Problems"?

I didn't even like his work with The Cult. As for the rest of that krap, its just braindead. It does nothing at all for me, I'd rather tune-in to the advertisements.

Wolfgang Press was funky, Simple Minds was funky, Shriekback was funky, even Gang of Four was funky, none of that shite is.

[Bunnyboy]

Wolfgang Press was funky, Simple Minds was funky, Shriekback was funky, even Gang of Four was funky, none of that shite is.

The Wolfgang Press?? Wow that is going back a bit

Simple Minds? Pah!

Gang of Four? Yeah

Howay, you cant diss HipHop as not being funky . The stuff that you see on MTV (which I dont have so have no idea what the commercial stuff sounds like) is just commercial pop music for the new kids.
The same way that Simple Minds were in the mid-80s

HipHop is an ace music form, that - like any other music form - sounds brilliantly when done good.
What I dont like is this uber-commercialisation of it that purports to be the "real" cutting-edge stuff, whereas it is mostly mass-market pop stuff.

Check out some of the stuff like Q-Bert, The Roots, DJ Shadow, Scratch Perverts, Killa Keller, Roots Manuva, Jhest, BDP, Missy Eliott for some really good music.

Funnily enough, this is pretty much what I think of Trance as well. The stuff in the charts is just pop music done on synths, but some of the bigger, epic, clubby stuff is great fun, and very nice to listen to.

(But then again, if I'm going serious clubbing it has to be Drum N Bass and Funky Breakbeats )