Tokyo Dawn Labs release the SimuLathe product range (virtual disk mastering)

[beingmf]

SimuLathe CUT (for audiences who operate a lathe)

Fabien, will there be the option to output the calculated data in some way in order to use them as dynamic cutting feed control (with a modified motor, of course)? There's the pitch meter already implemented, wouldn't it be possible to retrieve its data (but in which format, of course)?

[Trancit]

Why?.. and $160 USD...??

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I am in the same boat...

After the initial products it was quite calm about TDR/TDL (while perfectly remaining the existing products... no doubt about that) but there was hardly anything new...and now this...???

I don´t know if you guys have shot yourself in the foot...mean just looking logical at this topic...
How big could a potential market of such kind of a plugin may be??
1 or 2% of the actual amount of music producers??

Putting everything on halt for developing such a niche tool for, compared to your other products, 3 times higher price borders imho on suicide... I hope I am wrong and you know better what you are doing there but for me you could equally have released a virtual fridge cleaner making some opera retort underneath ...
I couldn´t be more uninterested in such kind of thing but I wish you good luck with your future!

[Vortifex]

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[Dombaeb]

TDR already filled all the holes in clean/characterful EQ and compressors with one stop shop products. I mean, it seems very logical move to create something niche now, nothing wrong here… Guys are doing professional tools for industry, and I’m sure that bunch of professionals just screamed out “Finally!”

From the point of global impact, this plug-in more valuable than, for example, a saturator…

[martinjuenke]

TDR already filled all the holes in clean/characterful EQ and compressors with one stop shop products. I mean, it seems very logical move to create something niche now, nothing wrong here… Guys are doing professional tools for industry, and I’m sure that bunch of professionals just screamed out “Finally!”

From the point of global impact, this plug-in more valuable than, for example, a saturator…

or another compressor, another EQ, another magic what-ever one-knobber endorsed by what-ever grammy-winning legendary mixing PROstateS...

[FabienTDR]

SimuLathe CUT (for audiences who operate a lathe)

Fabien, will there be the option to output the calculated data in some way in order to use them as dynamic cutting feed control (with a modified motor, of course)? There's the pitch meter already implemented, wouldn't it be possible to retrieve its data (but in which format, of course)?

We already considered the idea to drive pitch directly from the software. It could allow doing really nice things with the record, such as painting nice visual patterns onto disk. And it would allow instant perfect match to the machine. We kept it for later, will certainly follow sooner or later.

[FabienTDR]

Surprised by the good old KVR empathy , I am happy to answer your questions.

Why?.. and $160 USD...??

...

I am in the same boat...

After the initial products it was quite calm about TDR/TDL (while perfectly remaining the existing products... no doubt about that) but there was hardly anything new...and now this...???

That's what happens when you work and pioneer something difficult, something nobody else tried before. It takes ages, risk and energy. This time cannot be invested elsewhere. But this is chicken egg, without it you go bankrupt with 100% certainty - despite all the time you had. BTW Kotelnikov took me 8 years to make, Vlad certainly sat 3-4 years on Nova. You didn't complain back then either.

I don´t know if you guys have shot yourself in the foot...mean just looking logical at this topic...
How big could a potential market of such kind of a plugin may be??
1 or 2% of the actual amount of music producers??

It's really just about 200 lathe operators in total, but the tendency is moderate growth.
This "CUT" audience gives us the expertise, not the money.

The audiences not operating a lathe, i.e. "REF" audiences are way larger. It starts with education and training, professional modern mastering engineers looking to get a foot in the door, then also the complete disk authoring side, directly affected by artists and labels. Finally, there's leisure and curiosity, you cannot imagine how many are here just for the fun of it.

https://www.statista.com/chart/7699/lp- ... ed-states/

Putting everything on halt for developing such a niche tool for, compared to your other products, 3 times higher price borders imho on suicide...

We see emulations of $5000 EQs priced at $329, with crude UI, bad maintenance, aggressive copy protection, technically inferior to freeware. And ppl can't stop hyping them.

Any idea what a disk cutting system costs? It's beyond 100k$ just for the basic ability to cut a lacquer.

€150 incl. VAT for the only tool worldwide/in history being able to simulate disk mastering, from geometry to high res audio, ...is then suicidal?


Seriously, we feed 4-5 families since a decade plus several helpers, please consider the option that we possibly know what we are doing. We also license our code to thirds and work for a lot of third parties. This isn't public of course. It's us anyway who financed the 2 years of work necessary to build this - out of our pockets, not your taxes or anything related. It's us who stayed on this market for over a decade now, with half of the competition disappearing.

If that helps, we are very profitable. Super low expenses, no debt. 95% goes into research and development. We don't spend a dime on copy protection or advertisement. A dream of a biz, we always took finances and profitability at least as seriously as DSP. We just don't go out and brag about it posting our cars and houses online.

[FabienTDR]

Here's a most basic use case shown by Helmut:

[Yadrichik_Chaya]

With this $199 plugin you can hear how your music sounds on various streaming platforms:
https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... liner.html

And then all the cash earned from the plugin(s) are used for this purpose:

https://www.bizjournals.com/southflorid ... r-15m.html



I realise that there has been some kind of revival of vinyl records;
probably due to the current trends of lo-fi effects and cheap analog hardware synths, but personally I hope there will be more environmentally friendly vinyl records in the future!

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62426472

We're on this beautiful spaceship called planet earth filled with billions of great people scattered around all parts of it and amazing scenes of nature filled with life and medicinal herbs.
If something harmful like vinyl records disrupts this and causes harm to people, wildlife, the seas and plants etc. Which it obviously does!
Just say f**k it and please stop making them!

[vurt]

With this $199 plugin you can hear how your music sounds on various streaming platforms:
https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... liner.html

And then all the cash earned from the plugin(s) are used for this purpose:

https://www.bizjournals.com/southflorid ... r-15m.html



I realise that there has been some kind of revival of vinyl records;
probably due to the current trends of lo-fi effects and cheap analog hardware synths, but personally I hope there will be more environmentally friendly vinyl records in the future!

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62426472

We're on this beautiful spaceship called planet earth filled with billions of great people scattered around all parts of it and amazing scenes of nature filled with life and medicinal herbs.
If something harmful like vinyl records disrupts this and causes harm to people, wildlife, the seas and plants etc. Which it obviously does!
Just say f**k it and please stop making them!

computers are pretty bad for the environment too, not to mention the power needed just to hold all the cat pics on servers
cars too, really bad!

best we just wipe the pesky humans out

[h2ogun99]

Why?.. and $160 USD...??

...

I am in the same boat...

After the initial products it was quite calm about TDR/TDL (while perfectly remaining the existing products... no doubt about that) but there was hardly anything new...and now this...???

I don´t know if you guys have shot yourself in the foot...mean just looking logical at this topic...
How big could a potential market of such kind of a plugin may be??
1 or 2% of the actual amount of music producers??

Putting everything on halt for developing such a niche tool for, compared to your other products, 3 times higher price borders imho on suicide... I hope I am wrong and you know better what you are doing there but for me you could equally have released a virtual fridge cleaner making some opera retort underneath ...
I couldn´t be more uninterested in such kind of thing but I wish you good luck with your future!

I'm trying to find where TDL asked people to patronize them with their "humble opinions" on how they run their business. I mean, we couldn't be more uninterested in what you do, but don't feel a need to tell you that. Jesus...

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[Yadrichik_Chaya]

With this $199 plugin you can hear how your music sounds on various streaming platforms:
https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... liner.html

And then all the cash earned from the plugin(s) are used for this purpose:

https://www.bizjournals.com/southflorid ... r-15m.html



I realise that there has been some kind of revival of vinyl records;
probably due to the current trends of lo-fi effects and cheap analog hardware synths, but personally I hope there will be more environmentally friendly vinyl records in the future!

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62426472

We're on this beautiful spaceship called planet earth filled with billions of great people scattered around all parts of it and amazing scenes of nature filled with life and medicinal herbs.
If something harmful like vinyl records disrupts this and causes harm to people, wildlife, the seas and plants etc. Which it obviously does!
Just say f**k it and please stop making them!

computers are pretty bad for the environment too, not to mention the power needed just to hold all the cat pics on servers
cars too, really bad!

best we just wipe the pesky humans out

Yes! But imagine there are breakthrough's in science and technology in the future and even the current electric cars are replaced with say cars that run on water or wind.

Should the future generations then really cater to those that all of a sudden have a need to drive an old school petrol car? It serves no purpose given that there are way better alternatives. Those with the *I need that ”authentic” petrol car experience together with feelings of nostalgia while driving”-mentality* will surely be looked down upon as idiots and nothing else.

[vurt]

theres folk near me still use pony n trap

[Halonmusic]

Here's a most basic use case shown by Helmut:

very cool

[whassup]

Surprised by the good old KVR empathy , I am happy to answer your questions.

Seriously, we do this since a while, fed 4-5 families since a decade plus several helpers, please consider the option that we possibly know what we are doing. We also license our code to thirds and work for a lot of third parties. You can't see that stuff. It's us anyway who financed the 2 years of work necessary to build this - out of our pockets, not your taxes or anything related. It's us who stayed on this market for over a decade now, with half of the competition disappearing.

If that helps, we are very profitable. Super low expenses, no debt. 95% goes into research and development. Everything automated. We don't spend a dime on copy protection or advertisement. A dream of a biz, we always took finances and profitability at least as seriously as DSP. We just don't go out and brag about it, it's toxic on social media.

So cool to read that! Thanx a lot.
You are such a cool buncha great people with great products. I love you and your way of doing things.