Hi folks,
Anyone know of a plugin that will reduce transients, regardless of level?
So, i mean there should be no threshold setting, the plugin should just be constantly looking at the waveform and smoothing transients. I'm talking about the attack portion of drums, vocals, synths, whatever.
Thanks!
Plugin to smooth transients, regardless of level?
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- KVRian
- 820 posts since 28 Oct, 2014
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- KVRAF
- 2719 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
Anything that calls itself a "transient designer" apart from Boz's Transgressor, which works more like a level-dependent gate.
NI Transient Master, SPL Transient Designer, Elysia Nvelope, Auburn Couture, LVC transector, a few Waves options... And then there are more advanced frequency-dependent transient-detecting tools like Wavesfactory Quantum, Surreal Machines Impact, various Melda things... and Eventide SplitEQ which is somehow marketed as though it's the only plugin to do this stuff.
Round-up of some free options here. https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2022/0 ... t-shapers/
I would reach first for NI Transient Master, it usually works nicely.
NI Transient Master, SPL Transient Designer, Elysia Nvelope, Auburn Couture, LVC transector, a few Waves options... And then there are more advanced frequency-dependent transient-detecting tools like Wavesfactory Quantum, Surreal Machines Impact, various Melda things... and Eventide SplitEQ which is somehow marketed as though it's the only plugin to do this stuff.
Round-up of some free options here. https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2022/0 ... t-shapers/
I would reach first for NI Transient Master, it usually works nicely.
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- KVRian
- 811 posts since 2 Aug, 2013
Some transient shapers are not level dependent such as Spiff and the mentioned kilohearts transient shaper.Mr D wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:10 pm not correct, compression and tape simulation is level dependent.
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- KVRAF
- 5646 posts since 15 Dec, 2011
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astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661 - Banned
- 361 posts since 30 Jun, 2019
how come you don't want to set a threshold? Is it too static? I can agree with that, would be cool to see dynamic/automatic threshold in more plugins.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 587 posts since 8 May, 2012 from E.U.
Thanks all for the suggestions!astralprojection wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:35 pm how come you don't want to set a threshold? Is it too static? I can agree with that, would be cool to see dynamic/automatic threshold in more plugins.
I'm looking to reduce transients in delays, to make them smoother!
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- KVRist
- 255 posts since 17 Oct, 2020
Well then you could just put the tape or compressor or whatever in front of the delay so the level doesn't matter anymore.Mr D wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:47 pmThanks all for the suggestions!astralprojection wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:35 pm how come you don't want to set a threshold? Is it too static? I can agree with that, would be cool to see dynamic/automatic threshold in more plugins.
I'm looking to reduce transients in delays, to make them smoother!
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- KVRAF
- 2719 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
Not everyone is making techno! Real-world instruments like drums and acoustic guitars can benefit a lot from this method to reshape notes while following the playing dynamics.astralprojection wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:35 pm how come you don't want to set a threshold? Is it too static? I can agree with that, would be cool to see dynamic/automatic threshold in more plugins.
The way these plugins work is to have two envelope followers, one fast and one slow. If the fast envelope becomes larger than the slow envelope this indicates a new transient. If it becomes smaller than the slow envelope it indicates a tail. So there is still a detection threshold and some speed parameters in the algorithm, but generally they can be set internally and will translate well to a variety of source material.
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- KVRian
- 1281 posts since 3 Jan, 2020
Checkout this tutorial for MDelayMBMr D wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:47 pm I'm looking to reduce transients in delays, to make them smoother!
You can also use the free MRatioMB which has the same Tonal/Transient splitter and put it in front of your delay.
This is a spectral effect, however, which means it adds latency.
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astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661
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- 361 posts since 30 Jun, 2019
im not sure what you mean. did my comment seem like all it was meant for was techno? i was just wondering why he couldnt use transient shapers, compression or whatever, that has threshold control. then i also said that it would be nice to see more dynamic threshold in more plugins. that automatically discovers the transients and turn them down.imrae wrote: Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:13 amNot everyone is making techno! Real-world instruments like drums and acoustic guitars can benefit a lot from this method to reshape notes while following the playing dynamics.astralprojection wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:35 pm how come you don't want to set a threshold? Is it too static? I can agree with that, would be cool to see dynamic/automatic threshold in more plugins.
The way these plugins work is to have two envelope followers, one fast and one slow. If the fast envelope becomes larger than the slow envelope this indicates a new transient. If it becomes smaller than the slow envelope it indicates a tail. So there is still a detection threshold and some speed parameters in the algorithm, but generally they can be set internally and will translate well to a variety of source material.
im confused as to what this has to do with techno.
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- KVRAF
- 8077 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
Instead of a regular transient shaper, you could use something like Velvet Machine, where you can set the curve of the attack soft enough to completely kill transients if you want to.Mr D wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:47 pm I'm looking to reduce transients in delays, to make them smoother!
Also, some delays (like Valhalla) have diffusion built in, which gives softer results and can smear it out into reverb if you go far enough.