what ive learned reading this thread is that people get hissy fits when theres a review using plugindoctor.
i guess those people hate Dan Worall and Wytse too. What a horrible plugin!!!111 Imagine testing exactly what a plugin does!! For SHAME!!1111
Waves new - BB Tubes
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astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661 - Banned
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- addled muppet weed
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nah i like dan.
never met wytse so wont comment.
never met wytse so wont comment.
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astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661
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well they are both youtubers who use plugin doctor to test plugins. im pretty sure most people havent met them NOR Paul third.
i dont see the hate on them when they do it, but when this guy did it? the whole forum blew up and attacked him. But thats the hypocritical nature of this forum, something ive learned reading threads and posts here
i dont see the hate on them when they do it, but when this guy did it? the whole forum blew up and attacked him. But thats the hypocritical nature of this forum, something ive learned reading threads and posts here
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- addled muppet weed
- 111306 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
people tend to blow up about most things, not all people, but some.astralprojection wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:18 pm well they are both youtubers who use plugin doctor to test plugins. im pretty sure most people havent met them NOR Paul third.
i dont see the hate on them when they do it, but when this guy did it? the whole forum blew up and attacked him. But thats the hypocritical nature of this forum, something ive learned reading threads and posts here
most people posting here are probably stuck in work, wishing they were at home playing music, so probably a bit tense.
best to not take it seriously:)
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astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661
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yes but its hard to not take things seriously that are passionate to you personally. i can see why people get worked up around here. me included. but at least dont be hypocritical about it.
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Where on earth is the hypocrisy supposed to be here? Dan Worrall knows EXACTLY what he is doing and what he is talking about. He is extremely knowledgeable and his videos have a lot of educational value.
I know nothing in comparison to him.
Whether you like his voice, the way he talks and so forth is a mere matter of taste.
And by the way: he has received his fair share of hate on here too.
But comparing him to Paul Third, that is such an absurd thing - it is just more proof that you still have not learned anything from this thread (out of ignoracne or lack of wit I can't say - maybe a bit of both after all) - you seem a hopeless case really. The problem with Paul Third is not that he is using Plugin Doctor, the problem is that he is using it without really understanding much of what he is doing and interpreting his observations completely incorrectly. He can only impress people with even less of a clue than himself.
And reading the comments below his video is like watching a room full of lunatics hugging and patting each other on the back.
Once again: he did not manage to replace BB Tubes with a free plugin.
Whoever does not get that is actually unqualified for this discussion.
You said something along the lines of "yeah yeah, non-linearities, old hat that"
but you latest post in this thread indicates that you STILL don't get it - just like Paul Third -
or else there'd be no way you'd keep defending the dude.
I will try to explain it to you in super-simple terms (basically like I would have explained it to my son when he was five):
Non-linearity means what comes out of it depends on what you put into it. Say you put in 5 and out comes 8
- what Paul Third did was basically saying "hm... I put in 5 and out comes 8, so it adds 3 - let me see if I can't add 3 with something else - ah, yes, I can with this free tool here, so both do the same"
But the problem (obviously) is: what if you put in 2 and out comes 3 and when you put in 8 and out comes 15?
(now of course BB Tubes is a lot more complex that that - the whole overtone-pattern changes depending on the input - it's not just more or less but different - so it's more like putting in 2 and out comes a soap-bubble, putting in 5 and out comes a chewing gum, putting in 8 and out comes a knife)
You could measure all that using Plugin Doctor - but he did not at all.
Do you now get how silly his video is? No? Thought so...
I know nothing in comparison to him.
Whether you like his voice, the way he talks and so forth is a mere matter of taste.
And by the way: he has received his fair share of hate on here too.
But comparing him to Paul Third, that is such an absurd thing - it is just more proof that you still have not learned anything from this thread (out of ignoracne or lack of wit I can't say - maybe a bit of both after all) - you seem a hopeless case really. The problem with Paul Third is not that he is using Plugin Doctor, the problem is that he is using it without really understanding much of what he is doing and interpreting his observations completely incorrectly. He can only impress people with even less of a clue than himself.
And reading the comments below his video is like watching a room full of lunatics hugging and patting each other on the back.
Once again: he did not manage to replace BB Tubes with a free plugin.
Whoever does not get that is actually unqualified for this discussion.
You said something along the lines of "yeah yeah, non-linearities, old hat that"
but you latest post in this thread indicates that you STILL don't get it - just like Paul Third -
or else there'd be no way you'd keep defending the dude.
I will try to explain it to you in super-simple terms (basically like I would have explained it to my son when he was five):
Non-linearity means what comes out of it depends on what you put into it. Say you put in 5 and out comes 8
- what Paul Third did was basically saying "hm... I put in 5 and out comes 8, so it adds 3 - let me see if I can't add 3 with something else - ah, yes, I can with this free tool here, so both do the same"
But the problem (obviously) is: what if you put in 2 and out comes 3 and when you put in 8 and out comes 15?
(now of course BB Tubes is a lot more complex that that - the whole overtone-pattern changes depending on the input - it's not just more or less but different - so it's more like putting in 2 and out comes a soap-bubble, putting in 5 and out comes a chewing gum, putting in 8 and out comes a knife)
You could measure all that using Plugin Doctor - but he did not at all.
Do you now get how silly his video is? No? Thought so...
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- KVRAF
- 3221 posts since 23 Dec, 2002
Wytse mastered my last album. I haven't updated my website with his masters yet. A good guy all around but his reviews are hit and miss. Often doesn't read the manual. If he likes it , you can count on it being good though. If he doesn't like it there is equal chance he didn't come to grips with it.
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Not just that - often he's like "absurd that it doesn't have that feature" while basically hoovering over it with the cursor and you normally wouldn't need to read the manual at all to find it... just a bit more attention and due dilligence...
this and other weird shit like him comparing the Klark Teknik 1176 clone to his Stam Audio clone... title of the video "DO NOT BUY THIS!". The comments are filled with people explaining that a 1176 Blackface is a different device with different schematics as compared to a Blue Stripe (which the Stam is a clone of). Needless to say he always ignores the comments completely and never seems to learn his lesson i.e. he's still just as unprepared as always... he and Paul Third are really the worst. I even prefer Tad Donley over them.
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- KVRAF
- 3221 posts since 23 Dec, 2002
You are not wrong. He doesn’t mislead for clout so I put him ahead of the others and if he likes it , you know it is a winner. He makes good masters. I can attest to that,
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Yes, I am sure he has a good set of ears - also I have no doubt that he puts a lot more effort into his audio-work than he puts into his videos - which is a shame. I think his videos could be much better if they weren't so knee-jerkish...
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astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661
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You're so angry still after almost a week you're bubbling at the seams. I find it quite amusing. And what's funny I wasn't even referring to you when I said people were hypocritical.
But I'm not gonna get into an argument with you again, not a chance. I'll let you bubble in anger on your own. Have a nice day
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astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661
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Did you go looking for MEs on YouTube? Or how did you settle on him being your me? Personally I wouldn't give him a dime to master anything. He really REALLY don't know what he is doing. And like jens mentioned he proved that with the kt1176 video, but honestly that's just 1 example proving he don't know wtf he is doing.Scotty wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:06 amWytse mastered my last album. I haven't updated my website with his masters yet. A good guy all around but his reviews are hit and miss. Often doesn't read the manual. If he likes it , you can count on it being good though. If he doesn't like it there is equal chance he didn't come to grips with it.
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- KVRAF
- 3221 posts since 23 Dec, 2002
I wanted an analog mastering chain and younger ears on my project. I sent him a track to get started (right around the time he did a studio rebuild and had his new speakers calibrated) and liked what he did to it. I decided to use him for the full album which I completed a few months afterwards. I have hired other mastering engineers before and felt I could do better in some cases or at least as well in most cases.. With this project he got something out of the stereo mixes that I can't reverse engineer with my own mastering chain. Someone else probably could but not me. I am not disappointed. I don't consider his plugin reviews to be indicative of his understanding of audio in general. As mentioned when he gets excited by a plugin I am almost always in agreement. And that's about all there is to tell.astralprojection wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 1:44 pmDid you go looking for MEs on YouTube? Or how did you settle on him being your me? Personally I wouldn't give him a dime to master anything. He really REALLY don't know what he is doing. And like jens mentioned he proved that with the kt1176 video, but honestly that's just 1 example proving he don't know wtf he is doing.Scotty wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:06 amWytse mastered my last album. I haven't updated my website with his masters yet. A good guy all around but his reviews are hit and miss. Often doesn't read the manual. If he likes it , you can count on it being good though. If he doesn't like it there is equal chance he didn't come to grips with it.
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- KVRAF
- 3374 posts since 2 Oct, 2004
I just seen that review. He's supposed to be a mastering engineer, but he didn't like the Klark Teknik 1176 because it was too clean and didn't have a sound. He believes hardware compressors have no value unless they have a sound otherwise you're better off using Fabfilter Pro C. I wonder what he thinks of Weiss hardware.jens wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:50 amNot just that - often he's like "absurd that it doesn't have that feature" while basically hoovering over it with the cursor and you normally wouldn't need to read the manual at all to find it... just a bit more attention and due dilligence...
this and other weird shit like him comparing the Klark Teknik 1176 clone to his Stam Audio clone... title of the video "DO NOT BUY THIS!". The comments are filled with people explaining that a 1176 Blackface is a different device with different schematics as compared to a Blue Stripe (which the Stam is a clone of). Needless to say he always ignores the comments completely and never seems to learn his lesson i.e. he's still just as unprepared as always... he and Paul Third are really the worst. I even prefer Tad Donley over them.
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