Comparing Dune 3.5 With Hive 2

[DJErmac]

Relax folks. Enjoy !

EDIT : I love Vurt and he’s been attacked almost for nothing, I’m still singing one of Wagtune’s songs all the time ("Once Upon A Time" is freaking genius !) and he’s been attacked also, for what ? Deciding for once who is the winner between Hive2 and Dune3 ? Just be serious people... We are people on a forum. Enjoy your Christmas.

You made my day. I've had a few compliments on that one.

Enjoy your Christmas too.

Wags

That song is great and should be a classic imo. True words.
I know you had negative reviews about the cyber diva at the time. In that very song, you’re talking about a past time. That futuristic and sometimes soulless voice is pure genious in that context. Any real voice would express sadeness or anything we’re used to hear. You’re bringing something new : neutrality in your story. Like you’re simply telling what happened with full objectivity. Like we’re free to judge. Artistic view.
To me, this is a masterpiece. Nothing to change (mix is imperfect but who cares, I think I’ve never heard a single mix I’m fully satisfied with...).
I sing it all the time...

Sorry for going off-topic for a while dear OP, I hope you’re not too offended that I’m talking to an artist I love for a while to remind people that he’s more talented than people think. You know I’ve already answered the topic with details : I fully support your intention, all I want is compatibility when people remember what they’re here for.

[vurt]

I see the pattern of same people derailing the thread (again) to the pointless discussion about nothing.

Yes and Wagtunes, Vurt and fisherKing are just continuing it...

^ The thread is about Hive & Dune, there are other places to discuss the KVR forum stuff and that's here, or in Off Topic.

ok, this one is on topic
serious question, as the first point you made was about skinning hive...

are there really people here, who can hear a synth, and think "wow, that sounds awesome" then find it's not skinnable and don't buy them?

this isn't about "ohmygod wasting time on skins..." i get that if it's included, it can help with eye strain or just wanting to change something up...
it's about whether the lack of the option would put anyone off a great sounding instrument?

[chagzuki]

If you are looking for analog emulation and doing Filter FM, Dune filters are a better choice. But if you want a wide sonic palette, then Icarus is the obvious choice. The Icarus filters have a far far greater diversity and sonic range. Icarus has a huge palette in the filters and its fun because it is easy to make use of them. Between the filters and the wavetable morph modes plus resynthesis, Icarus is far more diverse than Dune (one layer of Dune is relatively limited).

Very interesting... filters is where the juice is.

[wagtunes]

I see the pattern of same people derailing the thread (again) to the pointless discussion about nothing.

Yes and Wagtunes, Vurt and fisherKing are just continuing it...

^ The thread is about Hive & Dune, there are other places to discuss the KVR forum stuff and that's here, or in Off Topic.

ok, this one is on topic
serious question, as the first point you made was about skinning hive...

are there really people here, who can hear a synth, and think "wow, that sounds awesome" then find it's not skinnable and don't buy them?

this isn't about "ohmygod wasting time on skins..." i get that if it's included, it can help with eye strain or just wanting to change something up...
it's about whether the lack of the option would put anyone off a great sounding instrument?

Actually, in my case (because I have bad eyes) a bad GUI can turn me off of getting a synth if I can't read the controls. It isn't a common problem but there have been some synths that I haven't purchased because of this very problem. With an alternative skin, where I can actually read the controls, that can make all the difference in the world.

[vurt]

I see the pattern of same people derailing the thread (again) to the pointless discussion about nothing.

Yes and Wagtunes, Vurt and fisherKing are just continuing it...

^ The thread is about Hive & Dune, there are other places to discuss the KVR forum stuff and that's here, or in Off Topic.

ok, this one is on topic
serious question, as the first point you made was about skinning hive...

are there really people here, who can hear a synth, and think "wow, that sounds awesome" then find it's not skinnable and don't buy them?

this isn't about "ohmygod wasting time on skins..." i get that if it's included, it can help with eye strain or just wanting to change something up...
it's about whether the lack of the option would put anyone off a great sounding instrument?

Actually, in my case (because I have bad eyes) a bad GUI can turn me off of getting a synth if I can't read the controls. It isn't a common problem but there have been some synths that I haven't purchased because of this very problem. With an alternative skin, where I can actually read the controls, that can make all the difference in the world.

a bad gui, i understand.
but with a decent readable gui, would the lack of skinning put you off?

there are of course many synths i won't touch because of the gui, but most of those, the alternative skins don't really change much besides colour and knob design.
the better alternative skins, are imo made for synths that already have great guis.
i guess there's only so much freedom in reskinning for some synths.

i only ask because it was the first point, in a thread about synths
i can't be the only person who would expect the first and most important point, to be sound related?

[fisherKing]

I see the pattern of same people derailing the thread (again) to the pointless discussion about nothing.

Yes and Wagtunes, Vurt and fisherKing are just continuing it...

^ The thread is about Hive & Dune, there are other places to discuss the KVR forum stuff and that's here, or in Off Topic.

apologies, i did not know that you were in charge here, and that my opinions or thoughts are not allowed...

still (again), happy holidays! hopefully we'll all be more like adults in the new year (me included)

[astralprojection]

I see the pattern of same people derailing the thread (again) to the pointless discussion about nothing.

Yes and Wagtunes, Vurt and fisherKing are just continuing it...

^ The thread is about Hive & Dune, there are other places to discuss the KVR forum stuff and that's here, or in Off Topic.

apologies, i did not know that you were in charge here, and that my opinions or thoughts are not allowed...

still (again), happy holidays! hopefully we'll all be more like adults in the new year (me included)

That's the MO of this forum. Talk about something the "gang" don't like, they come with the pitchforks lmao. Happy holidays to you and everyone. Just don't ever say anything contrary, that's very frowned upon here and the cringelords come out

[susquash]

im just gonna say quickly that dune 3 is way better than hive 2. in every way.
disclaimer: the only good u-he synth there is is Zebra (bazille is nice aswell but i mean, its a bit of a niche synth tbh) The others are rubbish, diva included (which i think personally speaking, sounds bad.). Wow big whoof you wanna fight about it?

Your opinion needs a reality check.
* Many sounds in both Hive and Diva can sound exactly like those in Zebra.
This truth is not debatable and is easily proven.
There is a lot of crossover synthesis among all of them, which makes your blatantly misguided opinion much more questionable as to its descriptive accuracy.

[astralprojection]

im just gonna say quickly that dune 3 is way better than hive 2. in every way.
disclaimer: the only good u-he synth there is is Zebra (bazille is nice aswell but i mean, its a bit of a niche synth tbh) The others are rubbish, diva included (which i think personally speaking, sounds bad.). Wow big whoof you wanna fight about it?

Your opinion needs a reality check.
* Many sounds in both Hive and Diva can sound exactly like those in Zebra.
This truth is not debatable and is easily proven.
There is a lot of crossover synthesis among all of them, which makes your blatantly misguided opinion much more questionable as to its descriptive accuracy.

Wow. Where did I say anything opposite to what you're saying? I said I liked zebra, never said hive and diva can't sound like zebra, wtf mate, what is wrong with you? You can make 99% of sounds in ANY synth.

[susquash]

Just don't ever say anything contrary, that's very frowned upon here and the cringelords come out

Maybe try not intentionally saying contrary anythings for the sake of being contrarian, rather than arriving at supportable and more objective idea, which in your case was not achieved.

[wagtunes]

I see the pattern of same people derailing the thread (again) to the pointless discussion about nothing.

Yes and Wagtunes, Vurt and fisherKing are just continuing it...

^ The thread is about Hive & Dune, there are other places to discuss the KVR forum stuff and that's here, or in Off Topic.

ok, this one is on topic
serious question, as the first point you made was about skinning hive...

are there really people here, who can hear a synth, and think "wow, that sounds awesome" then find it's not skinnable and don't buy them?

this isn't about "ohmygod wasting time on skins..." i get that if it's included, it can help with eye strain or just wanting to change something up...
it's about whether the lack of the option would put anyone off a great sounding instrument?

Actually, in my case (because I have bad eyes) a bad GUI can turn me off of getting a synth if I can't read the controls. It isn't a common problem but there have been some synths that I haven't purchased because of this very problem. With an alternative skin, where I can actually read the controls, that can make all the difference in the world.

a bad gui, i understand.
but with a decent readable gui, would the lack of skinning put you off?

there are of course many synths i won't touch because of the gui, but most of those, the alternative skins don't really change much besides colour and knob design.
the better alternative skins, are imo made for synths that already have great guis.
i guess there's only so much freedom in reskinning for some synths.

i only ask because it was the first point, in a thread about synths
i can't be the only person who would expect the first and most important point, to be sound related?

Of course. If the synth sounds like crap (to my ears) then it doesn't matter how great it looks.

[wagtunes]

The adults have to keep the 5 year olds away from the computer.

[astralprojection]

Just don't ever say anything contrary, that's very frowned upon here and the cringelords come out

Maybe try not intentionally saying contrary anythings for the sake of being contrarian, om
rather than arriving at supportable and more objective idea, which in your case was not achieved.

I can't help that people project whenever I say something in this damn place. Re read what I wrote.

[susquash]

Wow. Where did I say anything opposite to what you're saying? I said I liked zebra, never said hive and diva can't sound like zebra

Did you take a class on how to make bad arguments?
Your label of "all rubbish" does not fit into separating Zebra from that, when those other two synths can sound exactly like it. When those other synths use similar synthesis modeling.

You can make 99% of sounds in ANY synth.

This is simply not true.
There are too many synths to list that cannot share the same characteristics as created from a specific developer to another developer. The specific models, algorithms, and code, are too different among more complex synths to obtain such *same thing can be done on this or that* statements.
If your synth does not have a comb filter. Then good luck getting that specific strummed guitar sound you heard on the other synth and other examples.

[astralprojection]

And that goes into the 1%