Comparing Dune 3.5 With Hive 2

[susquash]

I can't help that people project whenever I say something in this damn place. Re read what I wrote.

That is an incorrect reply to my initial refutation of your statement which only required me to read once. What this actually is, is your opinion being called out as false with accurate reasons as to why that is. Then you typing out a bunch of *who me?* type counters.
You failed to justify your initial posts opinion or convey in any way, the reasons why you hold this opinion, besides wanting to agitate aggressive behavior among others here.

[astralprojection]

I can't help that people project whenever I say something in this damn place. Re read what I wrote.

That is an incorrect reply to my initial refutation of your statement which only required me to read once. What this actually is, is your opinion being called out as false with accurate reasons as to why that is. Then you typing out a bunch of *who me?* type counters.
You failed to justify your initial posts opinion or convey in any way, the reasons why you hold this opinion, besides wanting to agitate aggressive behavior among others here.

My initial post was that I said I liked zebra, didn't like the others. How can it be false if that's what I said. You're the one being aggressive lol.
You just don't like me so you're on the attack. Pitchfork type shit. It's getting so lame at this point.

[susquash]

And that goes into the 1%

99%.
Dune 3 has a comb filter, but cannot even come close to doing with it what Zebra or Hive can. That's because Dune's comb filter is short on adjustable parameters. It is more about distinctions created by the developers themselves. An oscillator programmed in Zebra will not have the same characteristics as one made on Dune. Far different in fact. Yet the Zebra oscillator will definitely have more similarities to the Hive oscillator.

There is no synth that should be labeled as "all rubbish" in opinion, as that opinion is weak and easily refuted. You should seek more nuanced opinions.

[astralprojection]

When did I say all rubbish

[susquash]

You just don't like me so you're on the attack.

I don't know you, so I can't say whether I like you or not.
I do know that your opinion sounded more like someone trying to start a fire on here, rather than someone making a legitimate claim that could be defended.

[rezoneight]

When did I say all rubbish

m just gonna say quickly that dune 3 is way better than hive 2. in every way.
disclaimer: the only good u-he synth there is is Zebra (bazille is nice aswell but i mean, its a bit of a niche synth tbh) The others are rubbish, diva included (which i think personally speaking, sounds bad.). Wow big whoof you wanna fight about it?

[susquash]

When did I say all rubbish

im just gonna say quickly that dune 3 is way better than hive 2. in every way.
disclaimer: the only good u-he synth there is is Zebra (bazille is nice aswell but i mean, its a bit of a niche synth tbh) The others are rubbish, diva included (which i think personally speaking, sounds bad.). Wow big whoof you wanna fight about it?

[rezoneight]

I can't help that people project whenever I say something in this damn place. Re read what I wrote.

That is an incorrect reply to my initial refutation of your statement which only required me to read once. What this actually is, is your opinion being called out as false with accurate reasons as to why that is. Then you typing out a bunch of *who me?* type counters.
You failed to justify your initial posts opinion or convey in any way, the reasons why you hold this opinion, besides wanting to agitate aggressive behavior among others here.

My initial post was that I said I liked zebra, didn't like the others. How can it be false if that's what I said. You're the one being aggressive lol.
You just don't like me so you're on the attack. Pitchfork type shit. It's getting so lame at this point.

Im just gonna say quickly that dune 3 is way better than hive 2. in every way.
disclaimer: the only good u-he synth there is is Zebra (bazille is nice aswell but i mean, its a bit of a niche synth tbh) The others are rubbish, diva included (which i think personally speaking, sounds bad.). Wow big whoof you wanna fight about it?

What a wanker. edit: wanker with dead ears. Diva does not sound bad. Might not be your cup of tea. Certainly doesn't "sound bad".

edit 2: wow. banned. apparently someone in charge though it was all rubbish.

[BONES]

* Many sounds in both Hive and Diva can sound exactly like those in Zebra.
This truth is not debatable and is easily proven.
There is a lot of crossover synthesis among all of them, which makes your blatantly misguided opinion much more questionable as to its descriptive accuracy.

This is true of every synth and of maybe 90% of the sounds we all use. But it's that other 10% that matter, because those unique sounds are the ones we tend to feature most prominently in our work.

You can make 99% of sounds in ANY synth.

This is simply not true.

No, it is completely true. You're not always going to be able to make exactly the same timbre but you can pretty much use any synth for any part in any song and make it work. You only have to listen to the One Synth Challenge entries every month to understand that.

Obviously it doesn't apply to really simple synths, like One Ping Only, but any two osc V/A synth with a multi-mode filter and cross-mod is going to be able to do 99% of what any other synth can do. Your Comb filter example definitely falls into that other 1% category.

If you want to see more examples, just listen to the demo mp3s of a range of preset packs for different synths. They are all making the same sounds and the demos all sound unbelievably similar across a broad range of instruments.

[THE INTRANCER]

The point is to once again pimp your skins and get attention like so many of the other threads you've started. I have sympathy for you but you really need to stop.

Anyways I'm done talking about these synths. I'm going to go and actually use them now beucase that is how we learn.....

I don't need your sympathy man, didn't you know that people actually pay me on here because they think I deserve to be paid for the work I develop and give away for free in this community, I'm not talking a few dollars here or there either... I'm talking about a significant amount, an excess of over a £ / $100 in donations alone in this past year and half have been made. The more people know who know where to find my latest project giveaways the more likely people will buy the synths I develop for, which helps the developer that creates them.

Those who are kind and considerate that donate their time and or money for what I do are rewarded for that.

[wagtunes]

* Many sounds in both Hive and Diva can sound exactly like those in Zebra.
This truth is not debatable and is easily proven.
There is a lot of crossover synthesis among all of them, which makes your blatantly misguided opinion much more questionable as to its descriptive accuracy.

This is true of every synth and of maybe 90% of the sounds we all use. But it's that other 10% that matter, because those unique sounds are the ones we tend to feature most prominently in our work.

You can make 99% of sounds in ANY synth.

This is simply not true.

No, it is completely true. You're not always going to be able to make exactly the same timbre but you can pretty much use any synth for any part in any song and make it work. You only have to listen to the One Synth Challenge entries every month to understand that.

Obviously it doesn't apply to really simple synths, like One Ping Only, but any two osc V/A synth with a multi-mode filter and cross-mod is going to be able to do 99% of what any other synth can do. Your Comb filter example definitely falls into that other 1% category.

If you want to see more examples, just listen to the demo mp3s of a range of preset packs for different synths. They are all making the same sounds and the demos all sound unbelievably similar across a broad range of instruments.

Generally, I agree with you but the problem is, unlike years ago when everything was square and sawtooth waves, today you have wavetable synthesis, granular synthesis, sample based synths and FM synths (I'm sure I'm leaving out a few things)

A simple 2 osc synth isn't going to be able to make the kinds of sounds those synths can make unless those features are built into those synths. And I am finding that today, most synths don't fall into the basic 2 osc sawtooth/square wave design of say a Minimoog. Filters can only do so much. In fact, with all their filters, basic VA synths can't get the klangy bell sounds that a basic FM synth can get without any filters. By all means, try to get a Minimoog to sound like a DX 7.

Bottom Line: Synths today, because of all the competition and how saturated the market is, are fairly complex. Sure, we still create emulations of old basic synths (Minimoog/Legend) but the bulk of what's out there has everything but the kitchen sink built into it.

[pdxindy]

When did I say all rubbish

They are banned... you can stop replying

[BONES]

Generally, I agree with you but the problem is, unlike years ago when everything was square and sawtooth waves, today you have wavetable synthesis, granular synthesis, sample based synths and FM synths (I'm sure I'm leaving out a few things)

You might need to apply a granular effect to get a granular-like sound but it's still doable. And most wavetables that people actually use are just morphing from one simple waveform to another or doing PWM. Anything more complicated can likely be simulated well enough with cross-modulation. I've certainly never heard anything from a wavetable based synth that I didn't think I could do some other way.

In fact, with all their filters, basic VA synths can't get the klangy bell sounds that a basic FM synth can get without any filters.

That's one of the few actual uses for Ring Mod. It can also be done using cross-modulation, which is the same thing as FM.

Bottom Line: Synths today, because of all the competition and how saturated the market is, are fairly complex.

Some are, some aren't. The synths I find most useful generally aren't very complex - GR-8, Olga, Invader, Union, TRK-01, etc., plus emulations like OB-Xtreme and MonoFury. Those are the synths I'll patch myself but with instruments like DUNE, Hive and even Thorn, I am far more likely to tweak a few parameters on a preset. I don't have any interest in dealing with their complexity.


Sure, we still create emulations of old basic synths (Minimoog/Legend) but the bulk of what's out there has everything but the kitchen sink built into it.
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[zerocrossing]

Sadly, neither is MPE capable, which is a bit surprising to me, especially for U-He.

Our stuff still works with any MPE controller and covers pretty much most of MPE. The only thing missing at this point is the global channel for pitch slides on all notes.

That’s really big for me, though. Per note pitch slide is the bomb, as the kids say.

[/quote]We have decide to do this in conjunction with CLAP and NoteExpressions. I think we're maybe one release away from 100% MPE compatibility, maybe even MPE+ (loving our Osmose!) for Hive. That is, the final CLAP version might actually be 100% MPE compatible.

We're also adding Release Velocity at some point. While not technically part of MPE, it sure is something a lot of MPE controllers support as well.
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Huh, the only MPE controller I’ve ever had was my Roli Rise 49, and I thought that release velocity was part of the MPE spec. I use it a lot, so I’m all for that. I can’t wait for MPE to become part of the U-He standard feature set.

[pdxindy]

That’s really big for me, though. Per note pitch slide is the bomb, as the kids say.

Per note pitch slides already work with the u-he synths.