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[jtsterays]

When its done, do you plan to slap it onto Diva or a standalone like Repro?

[Urs]

When its done, do you plan to slap it onto Diva or a standalone like Repro?

I intend to add it to Diva *and* make it standalone.

Adding things to Diva may make them less obvious. For instance, gain staging... in Diva there's a difference if you use "Amplifier Volume" (voice parameter) or "Output" (global parameter). Only with Amplifier Volume cranked up fully you might get the typical Mini sound.

I have therefore thought about a concept I call "Diva Singles", which would have only ultra-faithful emulations of selected (as in: not all, rather few) synths. These would either be free with Diva (potentially a 2.0), or they'd be a separate thing. These would not be catering for mass usage, these would rather be there for reference. These would rather be mono synths. I don't know. It seems like a time consuming thing that may cost us more than we'd gain.

OTOH we always wanted to extend Repro with pun versions, like Repro-DG ("Re-Prodigy"), Repro-DC ("Repro-Odyssee"), Repro-BX ("Repro-OBX"), that kind of stuff.

But then of course, we'd rather love to get back to our concept of modelling the Cat. But that could also be part of... uhm, I don't know. Decisions, decisions.

So yes, there are numerous concepts of what we could do. We do have to think about commercial viability, I can't just pursue those out of personal ambition (vanity?).

For now (and for the next year or two) we're concentrating on Filterscape, Uhbik, TyrellN6 and Zebra 3.

[zvenx]

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The Legend is older than "the latest"

Thing is, emulation quality has *IMHO* gone down after Monark and The Legend, instead of building upon the status quo that was already reached.

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I wouldn't mind a MS-20 either. I'm more into its predecessors though. We have two 770s, a vintage 700, a new 700s and an 800dv. Maybe a crossover of all of them.

I will admit its been years since i spent any considerable time on a minimoog which I use to decades ago.
So I can't tell you from a/bing how close the softube and uad come to the minimoog hardware, BUT I can definitely say: 1) for me the softube one is the best sounding one and the uad is my second favourite mostly because of how easier it is to navigate around its interface (though I of course wish it could be enlarged) and 2) from my memory of years of use of the minimoog, the vibe is very much there.
rsp

[zvenx]

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Let me also say that I think some of these Minis sound gorgeous, possibly better than anything I would have come up with. I just disagree with their development team (or marketing) on what's part of the Mini's character, and where to simplify/"fix" the model.

I also disagree with marketing lingo like "every single component modelled blah blah" when clearly, even with "fixed" components that bear no part tolerance, the circuitry reliably behaves differently. It means, by simple deduction, certain parts were not modelled and the marketing lingo is simply deceiving.

I have considered sending those companies a list of my disappointments. I have also considered posting my list of disappointments online. But then I thought I should simply put together my own Mini and let that speak for itself. I just don't know where to take the time to finish that project.

Fair enough.
rsp

[Urs]

(I do regret posting my opinion sometimes, it puts me in the awkward position that I feel like people might think I'm putting down other developers. But then, when I read all the praise of how amazing this or that emulation is, I wonder what it is that people are talking about. And honestly, I've spent so much time and energy on this, I do also feel like I have to defend my own work against some marketing lingo that I personally find misleading and potentially harmful to my own efforts.)

[kylie]

But then of course, we'd rather love to get back to our concept of modelling the Cat. But that could also be part of... uhm, I don't know. Decisions, decisions.

He said it. OMG !
I never thought I would see you saying that again...

[robisme]

For now (and for the next year or two) we're concentrating on Filterscape, Uhbik, TyrellN6 and Zebra 3.

I hope not in that order ?

[Urs]

For now (and for the next year or two) we're concentrating on Filterscape, Uhbik, TyrellN6 and Zebra 3.

I hope not in that order ?

Some thing happen in parallel and/or leverage each other. For instance, the new filters in Filterscape are partially shared among Uhbik and Zebra3.

Most of Filterscape work is a makeover of UI and content. The UI needed a speed-up and improvement for the EQ-curves. Latter is leveraged for Uhbik and Zebra 3 as well.

Most leftover work of Uhbik 2 is the surround part, UI speed-up (EQ curve...) and some more refinements in UI design. One example: The new reverb algorithm is not surround-enabled yet, and the developer isn't working at u-he anymore. This is why we put Uhbik last of our main products after MFM and Filterscape.

TyrellN6 is mostly UI makeover, content makeover, and maintenance. New Preset browser and tagging, for instance. In an initial step there won't be any developers involved. Later on we want to also add a "pro" version with extra features, but we have no clear roadmap for this.

Now, as for Zebra3, if I hadn't also had to work on Satin (which turns out, needs me for another week or two before we can release it), I'd only be doing things that are only or partly useful for Zebra3. Anything that's necessary for MFM/Filterscape/Uhbik that is *not* possible to leverage for Zebra3 is done by other developers, or by the design and content teams.

Or, as someone once said, everything is somehow related to everything else, somehow, which again is somehow related to every other thing.

[zvenx]

(I do regret posting my opinion sometimes, it puts me in the awkward position that I feel like people might think I'm putting down other developers. But then, when I read all the praise of how amazing this or that emulation is, I wonder what it is that people are talking about. And honestly, I've spent so much time and energy on this, I do also feel like I have to defend my own work against some marketing lingo that I personally find misleading and potentially harmful to my own efforts.)

I for one didn't see it that way.. Especially when you explicitly said you were were not knocking how they sound.
rsp

[masterhiggins]

You have no idea how disappointed I am by all those latest Minis from the most reputable developers. They're like made by people who never touched a Mini, or who thought "let's get rid of all the quirks that make a Mini a Mini and push this dead sounding piece of code onto our followers". I could

By latest I assume you mean CA?

Look, I'm trying hard to not mention any names directly. But honestly, I don't even know CA made one. So no, I did not mean that one, I meant everyone that came after The Legend.

Let me also say that I think some of these Minis sound gorgeous, possibly better than anything I would have come up with. I just disagree with their development team (or marketing) on what's part of the Mini's character, and where to simplify/"fix" the model.

I also disagree with marketing lingo like "every single component modelled blah blah" when clearly, even with "fixed" components that bear no part tolerance, the circuitry reliably behaves differently. It means, by simple deduction, certain parts were not modelled and the marketing lingo is simply deceiving.

I have considered sending those companies a list of my disappointments. I have also considered posting my list of disappointments online. But then I thought I should simply put together my own Mini and let that speak for itself. I just don't know where to take the time to finish that project.

Very diplomatic response. I was talking to Mark Barton recently and he said he doesn’t typically doesn’t do component modeling. He models the circuits as a whole, without parasitics. I guess he’s more in the “ideal” circuitry camp.

I wish you guys would release some of your stuff for VM. It’d be super badass. That’d make your Berlin Modular system that much more doable. Yeah, it’s wishful thinking.

[Cyoon]

You have no idea how disappointed I am by all those latest Minis from the most reputable developers. They're like made by people who never touched a Mini, or who thought "let's get rid of all the quirks that make a Mini a Mini and push this dead sounding piece of code onto our followers". I could

By latest I assume you mean CA?

Look, I'm trying hard to not mention any names directly. But honestly, I don't even know CA made one. So no, I did not mean that one, I meant everyone that came after The Legend.

Let me also say that I think some of these Minis sound gorgeous, possibly better than anything I would have come up with. I just disagree with their development team (or marketing) on what's part of the Mini's character, and where to simplify/"fix" the model.

I also disagree with marketing lingo like "every single component modelled blah blah" when clearly, even with "fixed" components that bear no part tolerance, the circuitry reliably behaves differently. It means, by simple deduction, certain parts were not modelled and the marketing lingo is simply deceiving.

I have considered sending those companies a list of my disappointments. I have also considered posting my list of disappointments online. But then I thought I should simply put together my own Mini and let that speak for itself. I just don't know where to take the time to finish that project.

Very diplomatic response. I was talking to Mark Barton recently and he said he doesn’t typically doesn’t do component modeling. He models the circuits as a whole, without parasitics. I guess he’s more in the “ideal” circuitry camp.

I wish you guys would release some of your stuff for VM. It’d be super badass. That’d make your Berlin Modular system that much more doable. Yeah, it’s wishful thinking.

I'd like to see some u-he Grid modules for Bitwig, maybe a filter or two, maybe something else On christmas we can wish right?

[Shabdahbriah]

This...

I wish you guys would release some of your stuff for VM. It’d be super badass.[...].

Could be a.n.y.t.h.i.n.g, 'old/new/experimental'. VModular with your unique twist.

[Urs]

Well, we're currently porting some stuff to VCV... if that works out, we can see what else does.

[aMUSEd]

For now (and for the next year or two) we're concentrating on Filterscape, Uhbik, TyrellN6 and Zebra 3.

I hope not in that order ?

Some thing happen in parallel and/or leverage each other. For instance, the new filters in Filterscape are partially shared among Uhbik and Zebra3.

Most of Filterscape work is a makeover of UI and content. The UI needed a speed-up and improvement for the EQ-curves. Latter is leveraged for Uhbik and Zebra 3 as well.

Most leftover work of Uhbik 2 is the surround part, UI speed-up (EQ curve...) and some more refinements in UI design. One example: The new reverb algorithm is not surround-enabled yet, and the developer isn't working at u-he anymore. This is why we put Uhbik last of our main products after MFM and Filterscape.

TyrellN6 is mostly UI makeover, content makeover, and maintenance. New Preset browser and tagging, for instance. In an initial step there won't be any developers involved. Later on we want to also add a "pro" version with extra features, but we have no clear roadmap for this.

Now, as for Zebra3, if I hadn't also had to work on Satin (which turns out, needs me for another week or two before we can release it), I'd only be doing things that are only or partly useful for Zebra3. Anything that's necessary for MFM/Filterscape/Uhbik that is *not* possible to leverage for Zebra3 is done by other developers, or by the design and content teams.

Or, as someone once said, everything is somehow related to everything else, somehow, which again is somehow related to every other thing.

Time to fit in adding Bazille NKS support dare I ask?

[Urs]

Time to fit in adding Bazille NKS support dare I ask?

Would love to. Dunno where I posted it, the main issue is writing an algorithm that finds the optimal controller assignments. Maybe need to train some AI to do that. Once this stop making things up.