Syntronik 2 Discussions

[jeffn1]

But, yes, it would include settings and effects. For example there is a song where I set up an arpeggiator. I have to double check, I'm assuming that is missing (and not loading).

[jeffn1]

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[niterateaudio]

I hope this is not hijacking this thread.

I am using Syntronik in Gig Performer (for live performance in a cover band, rather than recording). But basically you can think of Gig Performer as a DAW for this question.

I am transitioning to a new laptop computer. So, I installed all my sample libraries etc. And I moved the project file for Gig Performer (called a "Gig file").

So Syntronik and my other plug ins seems to work right.

But, in my projects, the specific Syntronik presets are not loading when I load the up project ("the Gig file").

I have been advised that this is how Gig Performer works in terms of recalling presets used in a Gig file:

When you save a gig file, GP requests that the plugin deliver its state to GP - this is a standard mechanism in the plugin API. The plugin sends a chunk of data to GP and GP just saves that chunk of data as part of the gig file.

When you open a gig file later, GP just sends that same chunk of data back to the plugin. It is 100% up to the plugin to deal with it – GP has no control over how the plugin does that.

That said, the plugin can manage state any way it wants. For example, if the “state” that the plugin sends to GP represents the path and file name of some file, then that’s what the plugin is going to be given and that file has to exist in the right place.

But this has nothing to do with Gig Performer. If you’re having this kind of issue, you need to reach out to IK and ask them how they handle state.

So, here is my question: Are the presets used in the project recalled by the ".db file" located (default in Windows):
C>Users>[user name]>Documents>IK Multimedia

I think all I need to do is copy and paste this .db file from my "old" laptop to the same location in my "new" laptop.

But, I am just trying to confirm this is likely correct. That this .db file is the one that recalls presets used in a project. (I have read posts that this .db file is where "favorites" are recalled. So, I would think this is also where presets for the project are recalled. Thanks.)

But, if I am missing something, please let me know.

Thanks!

Jeff

I am guess the Syntronik presets are in the IKM folders. Did you save them as user presets in Syntronik and move them over?

[DarkStar]

I am still not clear what you mean by "presets".

Are all the software products Authorized on the new system?
Can you try in any other DAW?

[jeffn1]

No, I did not save anything as a "user preset".

I am starting to think it "should" have saved as part of the "data chunk" that is transferred to Gig Performer to recall its saved state when the Gig performer Gig File is opened again.

But, then why does it work when I open the file on my old computer, but it does not work on my new computer? I did a full install of Syntronik II. And I seem to have all the samples and presets working. (I can reload the same presets and save them in a Gig File and is seems to work fine).

I was hoping there was some file that gets updated in IK's folders when you change something. I was hoping all I needed to do was move that to the new laptop. But, so far I have not confirmed that.

Jeff

[jeffn1]

Hello, Darkstar,

All I mean by "preset" is that for a song, I picked a certain sound (I may or may not have tweaked it a bit) that should open when I select the rackspace (comparable to a track in a DAW) in Gig Performer. The "sound" or "preset" does not load automatically as it should. I hope that clarifies a bit.

Yes everything works perfectly in the DAW (technically Gig Performer, but you can view it s as DAW) on my "old" laptop.

But, when I load that same Gig File (think of its as a "project file" in a DAW) on the new laptop, it did not properly recall the "saved state". So, it is not behaving the way it does (and should) in my "old laptop".

[Thanks again for thinking about this/trying to help].

Jeff

[DarkStar]

Understood. One for IKM support, then

Just a thought: Is the path to the library exactly the same on both systems (maybe there are some hard-coded absolute paths in the data chunk)?

[jeffn1]

IKM Support. Funny!

Yes, it could have something to do with the fact that on my new computer, Windows made the user name jeffn and on the old computer it is jeff. So, the file path on the Gig File (created on the old computer) would go to C>users>jeff instead of C>users>jeffn1

It is a real problem changing the name of the user folder.

So, I copied and pasted the files (on my new computer) to a user folder named jeff so it has the same file path as the old computer. And it should have all the files from the jeffn user folder (in the new computer).

So, unless there is something different stored on the old computer, I would think everything should work.

But, I need to check this again. I will copy a new gig file from the old computer and try to open it on the new computer again.

I'll let you know. Thanks, again!

Jeff

[zzz00m]

But, if I am missing something, please let me know.

Sounds like a host issue with GP, unless Syntronik is missing something on the new laptop.

Can you load Syntronik presets OK in Syntronik standalone mode? If so, then Syntronik itself is likely installed correctly.

Do you have any other DAW hosts installed on the laptop to test the Syntronik plug-in with?

I have run Syntronik with several other DAW hosts and never experienced such a problem with presets.

[jeffn1]

I can load Syntronik presets fine even on the new laptop.

The only thing it is not doing is automatically loading up sounds when the Gig file was saved. (Which does work on my "old" laptop. (Incidentally my "old" laptop is fine and I am still using it).

This is comparable on a DAW to Syntronik not recalling the saved sound on a midi track where it is a plug in.

So, I feel confident it is not GP. GP seems to go above an beyond in terms of stability and testing for bugs, and their support is top notch. (But, it could be something not coded perfectly in Syntronik to work in GP).

Yes, either something glitchy with Syntronik or (most likely) there is something missing or amiss on my new laptop.

[tonycore]

What happens if you create a new "preset" on the new system - can you locate and sound the sounds ok? Then what happens if you close that out and re-open it, does it work properly? Could be some clues in this...

[deskew]

Sounds like a host issue with GP

Extremely unlikely to be a host issue -- the problem (most likely) is that the "state" that Syntronik gives to the host (using the standard VST APIs) includes information such as hardcoded paths and so when that same state is fed back to Syntonik on a different machine, something is in the wrong place.

[jeffn1]

tonycore, yes,when I saved the Gig file on the new laptop and reopened it, the "preset" loaded properly.

Yes, what Deskew says makes the most sense. But, I have not been able to track down the missing file/pathway.

I will experiment a bit.

But, if someone has an idea, I am all eyes.

(Like a said Gig Performer has been rock solid and top notch support.)

[niterateaudio]

No, I did not save anything as a "user preset".

I am starting to think it "should" have saved as part of the "data chunk" that is transferred to Gig Performer to recall its saved state when the Gig performer Gig File is opened again.

But, then why does it work when I open the file on my old computer, but it does not work on my new computer? I did a full install of Syntronik II. And I seem to have all the samples and presets working. (I can reload the same presets and save them in a Gig File and is seems to work fine).

I was hoping there was some file that gets updated in IK's folders when you change something. I was hoping all I needed to do was move that to the new laptop. But, so far I have not confirmed that.

Jeff

I am thinking you need to save that Syntronix custom setting as a user preset. Then cope the entire folder contents to the laptop. The user present should be there then. Thats how I have to do it in my DAW. If I work on something and re-open it, the DAW has no concept of what I was changing in Syntronik or Sampletank. I have to reload the settings as a user preset.

[deskew]

But, I have not been able to track down the missing file/pathway.

Have you contacted IK?