Which reverb sounds great in mono?

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bite_me
KVRian
Topic Starter
519 posts since 2 May, 2015 from Ruhrgebiet

Post Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:43 pm

Hi friends,
the title says it all.

A lot of modern music sounds very crappy in mono and even in stereo (on my coaxial speakers) because of that superwide spread that makes it bigger in the car.
Perhaps I´m oldfashioned but I enjoy mixes that work great in mono.

Often, the reverb makes it mushy and phasey in mono. So, is there one reverb which sounds as great in mono?
THX :help: :?:
The average bored guy

Winstontaneous
KVRAF
2284 posts since 15 Feb, 2006 from Berkeley, CA

Post Sun Jan 29, 2023 1:14 am

Eventide SP2016 has Mono and Stereo Room algorithms in both both Vintage and Modern flavors, they all sound fantastic to me. I also love the Michael Carnes algorithms at all width settings including narrow and mono - Lexicon PCM and the (mostly discontinued) Exponential Audio Nimbus/Phoenix and R4/R2. Mono panned reverbs are especially fun!

Vortifex
KVRAF
3033 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Post Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:57 am

Do you mean one that has particularly good (i.e. mostly positive) phase correlation? If so then the Hall algorithm in Xenoverb comes to mind, as it has a fairly narrow stereo width. Supermassive has a Width control for good mono compatibility, and the new Glow from Wave Alchemy has a Mono button, but you can give any reverb good mono compatibility with a stereo utility in your DAW.

bite_me
KVRian
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519 posts since 2 May, 2015 from Ruhrgebiet

Post Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:04 am

Reducing stereowidth is not a thing but a reverb that wouldn´t disappear when switching to mono. I have the Nimbus and R4 EA reverbs, the UAD Plates and Lexicon 224.
And while I´m typing I realize the UAD Reverbs have dedicated monoversions. :dog:
The average bored guy

martinjuenke
KVRAF
6255 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Hanover, Germany

Post Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:40 am

ChatGPT says:

Here are some popular reverb plugins that are known for their good mono compatibility:

ValhallaRoom
AudioThing Springs
Valhalla VintageVerb
ArtsAcoustic Reverb
Waves H-Reverb
FabFilter Pro-R
Altiverb 7
Lexicon PCM Native Reverb
Eventide Blackhole
Sonnox Oxford Reverb
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Adrian Charras Music
KVRer
5 posts since 28 Jan, 2023

Post Sun Jan 29, 2023 1:22 pm

Any Spring !

btfnk
KVRist
106 posts since 8 Jan, 2009 from Los Angeles

Post Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:56 pm

Hard disagree with VVV being listed, be very careful with many of it's modes.

Lexicon PCM are great!

camsr
KVRAF
7275 posts since 17 Feb, 2005

Post Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:08 pm

Input a mid signal to a stereo reverb, and drop one channel.

simon.a.billington
KVRAF
2294 posts since 12 Nov, 2014

Post Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:53 am

This happens largely due to people not checking mixes in mono and applying stereo widening techniques, even with a simple day. That would potentially be passed to the reverb causing it to also sound bad in mono. Or it can be due to overuse of chorus/flanger style effects on reverbs which don't translate to well. So ill-formed production/engineering habits is largely why some recordings would suck more in mono.

The excuse to not check in mono is that many see it as no longer necessary, but I big to differ. Music shopping centres and clubs can still be often in mono. Music coming from bluetooth speakers and PCs can sound predominantly mono since the speakers are placed so close to each other. Take a step or two back it may as well be mono. Their ideologies are really based faulty logic.

To answer your question though, pretty much any decent reverb will sound good in mono, you just need to set it up on a mono return. Some reverbs are traditionally designed in mono though, like old springs and plates. So that's another thing to look at. Not the often the best choice for a whole mix, but selected instruments though.

bite_me
KVRian
Topic Starter
519 posts since 2 May, 2015 from Ruhrgebiet

Post Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:35 am

@camsr: Never heard this before. Worth a try :)
@simon.a.billington: I´m not sure, if Bitwig offers mono returns.
Yeah mono rules :)
The average bored guy

chagzuki
KVRAF
2920 posts since 26 Mar, 2002 from london

Post Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:44 pm

I haven't particularly noticed any reverbs sounding bad in mono, but to the extent that they disappear I tend to find that useful as it preserves clarity in the absence of spatial differentiation.

One thing that has bugged me a little recently is the opposite problem: certain speaker setups in popular devices such as iPads seem to introduce an amount of stereo widening, and this can over-emphasise certain types of reverb.
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Cody1_30
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17 posts since 31 Jan, 2023

Post Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:51 pm

Jst Skybox sounds great and i dont think i ever used it in Stereo

bite_me
KVRian
Topic Starter
519 posts since 2 May, 2015 from Ruhrgebiet

Post Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:21 am

Cody1_30 wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:51 pm Jst Skybox sounds great and i dont think i ever used it in Stereo
Deadcheap also :)
The average bored guy

Cody1_30
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17 posts since 31 Jan, 2023

Post Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:36 am

@Bite_me Yeah i believe its on sale too right now for 20$. Ive owned it since like june i believe or july and just realized recently it had presets lol. But Joey Sturgis is legit make sure to check his Youtube channel too alot of great knowledge. His Demon fuzz bass distortion is crazy sounding also.

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osiris
KVRAF
7626 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced

Post Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:16 pm

I always at least check a mix in mono and Valhalla Room sounds great, but when I reset it to normal it was a little too much. Nothing a twiddle of the Mix knob didn't help.

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