Plugin Limit on Mac vs PC

[putte]

seeing it like this i agree.

but many people already know that you can use a 10-button-mouse on a mac without any problems. (in an extremely convenient way actually, when using the shareware app "usb overdrive".

and given the fact that quite a lot of users replace the mouse of their original pc anyway for getting a better one ..

well, one-button mice sucks ..

putte

[mauseoleum]

ot - anybody knows what boxes do they run at pixar?

[donkey tugger]

seeing it like this i agree.

but many people already know that you can use a 10-button-mouse on a mac without any problems. (in an extremely convenient way actually, when using the shareware app "usb overdrive".



putte

Actually, when I used to work with the iMacs, I didn't even have to install that, they worked straight off with a standard USB mouse. Good thing really, cos there's no f**king way I was going to use that shitty one button thing..

[DHR53]

Being a Mac user for 20 years... from Plus to G5, I have to say OSX is not my favorite... It is definately NOT better than the system it replaced from a user standpoint... Now, maybe if you are a system administrator, or an old mainframe guy, it might be? But, the big preemeptive multi-tasking and protected memory advances have little effect on my day-to-day use... Quark still crashes, Photoshop, and everything else occasionally (except Reason)... Which of course it did in OS9, but I didn't open 5 apps at once, so it wasn't an issue with me! Many of the so-called improvements, IMO are NOT! The Dock... I'd like the kill that SOB, forever... Ironic, that you can't make it go away... which you could always do with an Apple system before OSX? Some of us users have relied on third party utilities such as QuickKeys to automate, streamline, and otherewise make a good system even better... OSX makes those less functional, or not usable all together! I don't need the Dock, I need my Finder windows to jump to the folder I want (with a QuickKey) and update when I change the contents of a folder (without going up a level and then going back)... little things that just don't function (quickly) or as well as they did in OS9... Font problems, screen redraws... There are so many things I notice daily, that really aggravate me... Arghh! Although I still use my Mac for work (because I have too) and as a DAW... I don't feel like I know what's going on anymore... And I was a Mac consultant.... It's just a feeling, that their making it up as there going along now?? Very disturbing to someone who has made a living with this tool for 20 years! Does it work every day? ...Yes Can I do what I need to? ...Yes! Do I feel good about it? ...No! When I first started using Macs, I was an evangelist... Then I was a "Mac" user, Now I'm just a customer of a computer product! ...which makes me a lot more critical... Time to go back to the old Apple, where you put out innovative products and let the customer decide whether it was... or not!

[Sascha Franck]

and given the fact that quite a lot of users replace the mouse of their original pc anyway for getting a better one ..

I have NEVER had to buy a mouse in the first place with ANY PC I ever bought. Apple is the only company forcing me to waste those 50 grams of useless plastic shit.

Seriously, customizeability is nothing Apple could ever be proud of.
Yeah, there's some good reasons for it because incompatibility is less of an issue - but come on, 2 harddisks max. in their top of the line computer?!? That's just pathetic!
I allready had 6 (SIX that is!) in my 6 year old PC, all running without the slightest problem.
Along with two CDRWs/DVDRWs. Any child these days will know that it's not all that much of a good idea to use a DVD burner for reading things often as well.
Still, Apple refuses to offer any sort of slot where one could put in an additional CD drive. Let alone that you just can't replace the internal one with any reasonably priced 3rd party stuff, which is just utter shite. They deserve to rot in hell 'til eternity for those things.

Edit: Oh, and btw, they call their DVD drive "superdrive"!
For what please? For lousy (well, mediocre at best) performance? The second to latest superdrives apparently don't even manage to read DVD+Rs. Wow, what a super drive, driven by an even more superior OS!

[jones-y]

Many of the so-called improvements, IMO are NOT!

Sounds to me like you are resisting the reality that you have to find a new workflow. I had some uncomfortableness when I switched as well, but I was only an OS 9 user for about two years, so I guess that made the transition that much easier.

I can say that I honestly like OS X about 13 zillion times better than OS 9. As for my preference of OS X over windows? Off the charts.

There's one thing that used to infuriate me about OS 9. I have about 40GB of samples for my EXS24. In attempting to manage them, I'd use the Finder. (This was before EXS Manager was Mac, and before Project Manager) I remember being absolutely disgusted about not being able to preview the samples without opening up a million instances of Quicktime player... (of course I was a newbie, so there probably was some freebie app somewhere that could do it, but I looked and never found one) And there were more than a few occasions where I selected all, and acidentally double-clicked Now, the finder has built-in Quicktime preview, and I'm in heaven! As a matter of fact, I just used it to manually rearrange about 5GB of drum hits, in anticipation of getting RM IV.

And while we're on the Finder... Have you tried the Column View? Pure Genius. Although I don't like the fact that the Finder doesn't remember folder view customisations on a per-folder basis, like OS 9 and Windows do.

And the Apple-Tab key command that one-ups Windows' Alt-Tab, with quitting, mouse support, hiding.

And Expose? Once again, Pure Genius.

Audio MIDI Setup over OMS, and Sound Manager (or whatever it was called in OS 9)

And the Protected Memory preventing an app from crashing other apps, and the computer itself. Don't know how many times that has saved me some work.

And simple things, like not listing files based on absolute alpha order:

sample1
sample10
sample100
sample101
.
.
.
sample11
sample111
.
.
.

OS X lists them logically.

sample1
sample2
sample3
.
.
.
sample100
sample101
.
.
.

And as I mentioned before, I don't need an A+ certification or a reinstall to troubleshoot.

OS X is, IMO, the best personal computer operating system ever. Of course there are things I don't like. Like the fact that windows don't automatically have a border, so if you disable window shadows, you can't tell where one window ends and another begins. And the fact that its resource intensive when compared to OS 9 (but probably in the same league as Win XP.

And that useless mouse. Like I said, I was a newbie, so I used it for a while, until it broke, and only then, upon plugging a PC mouse in, did I realize that it supported other mice. I think its the stupidest thing ever... But I can fix it.

[stag]

I LOVE THESE little WARS so much ....yum,yum!!!

BTW boys, Merry Xmas and Happy New Year.

[jones-y]

but come on, 2 harddisks max. in their top of the line computer?!?

Of course you know this isn't true.

And that's exactly what bothers me about a lot of Mac knocks. They either are fixable, or plain out not true.

And anyway, FW800 eliminates the drive problem, even without third-party internal drive solutions like wiebetech.

[jones-y]

I LOVE THESE little WARS so much ....yum,yum!!!

Do you think any manufacturer would post a benchmark in which his product loses?

[annode]

Endmusic and myself got our newer computers about the same time last yr.
He a mac G5.
Me a P4 2.8
We wanted to see if there was much difference in how many absynths we could play 4-5 notes on at once before the sound would glitch up.

His G5 was able to play like two more then mine I think...was a while back...don`t remember how many in total.
Maybe like mine=8 his=10...something like that.

[jones-y]

Here's a useful Dock tip.

Place a commonly accessed folder, for example the folder with your msuic projects, or the applications directory, or the user's Application Support folder, into the dock, above the trash can.

Now right-click the folder, and browse its contents without opening up another window.

[Sascha Franck]

Of course you know this isn't true.

Pardon?
With any halfway modern PC I just plug in any extra drives. No need to shell out extra money for some nifty modification kits.
400 bucks just to be able to have an option for a few further drives? Are you calling that even halfway reasonable??? In that case you must indeed live on another planet or so.

Comparing Firewire drives is just as ridiculous.

[jones-y]

Endmusic and myself got our newer computers about the same time last yr.
He a mac G5.
Me a P4 2.8
We wanted to see if there was much difference in how many absynths we could play 4-5 notes on at once before the sound would glitch up.

His G5 was able to play like two more then mine I think...was a while back...don`t remember how many in total.
Maybe like mine=8 his=10...something like that.

well, Absynth is probably a little more Mac friendly, since it was originally coded for Mac.

[jones-y]

Of course you know this isn't true.

Pardon?
With any halfway modern PC I just plug in any extra drives. No need to shell out extra money for some nifty modification kits.
400 bucks just to be able to have an option for a few further drives? Are you calling that even halfway reasonable??? In that case you must indeed live on another planet or so.

Comparing Firewire drives is just as ridiculous.

No, not reasonable, but it does make your statement untrue, does it not?

And firewire800 benchmarks indicate that the FW interface places absolutely no bottleneck on modern ATA drives. So why is that comparison ridiculous?

[Sascha Franck]

No, not reasonable, but it does make your statement untrue, does it not?

Well, I *knew* you could add additional drives almost ad nauseum to any computer before.
I was just talking about the stock options. And any PC is getting you WAY further here.

And firewire800 benchmarks indicate that the FW interface places absolutely no bottleneck on modern ATA drives. So why is that comparison ridiculous?

Because it's yet another non-stock and expensive solution.
But you Mac users seem to shit money or so.