KVR Audio

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:27 pm

Remember these ancient devices back in the good old days? I spent many an hour back around 2002 playing with them and wondering how they would look '20 years from now'. Like something out of blade runner I imagined. Oh the nostalgia.

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:25 am

kritikon wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:32 pm We also used to have real manuals, which we used to actually read. I learnt most of how to use Cubase that way, and obvs lots of trials and errors. RTFM is a real thing, not a meaningless phrase. I know I can access manuals etc online but I still miss the proper books Cubase came with. Somehow, reading a page on a PC or laptop screen isn't as obvious to me as when reading it on paper. I dunno why, because nowadays my studio screen is way bigger than any manual I've ever had. Same way I don't like reading online books and it slows me down, whereas I can rip through a paperback book even with my old man eyesight.

I know I could print out a Cubase manual, but god knows how many printer ink replacements it would need...

Yes. The Logic manual was such a delight with German phrases thrown in randomly to keep me on my toes! But I did pretty much read it cover to cover.

I much prefer today's pdf manuals that I can read AND properly search rather than relying on a German-English phrase book.

legendCNCD · Post by **legendCNCD** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:50 pm

lotus2035 wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:27 pm Remember these ancient devices back in the good old days? I spent many an hour back around 2002 playing with them and wondering how they would look '20 years from now'. Like something out of blade runner I imagined. Oh the nostalgia.

These were my bread and butter in early 2000's, then rewire to Cubase for added effects and mixing. I was just few days ago thinking about checking the latest Reason - not that we'll move to it from Live or anything serious, just to check it out.

Resonant- Serpent · Post by **Resonant- Serpent** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:19 am

syntonica wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:25 am
kritikon wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:32 pm We also used to have real manuals, which we used to actually read. I learnt most of how to use Cubase that way, and obvs lots of trials and errors. RTFM is a real thing, not a meaningless phrase. I know I can access manuals etc online but I still miss the proper books Cubase came with. Somehow, reading a page on a PC or laptop screen isn't as obvious to me as when reading it on paper. I dunno why, because nowadays my studio screen is way bigger than any manual I've ever had. Same way I don't like reading online books and it slows me down, whereas I can rip through a paperback book even with my old man eyesight.

I know I could print out a Cubase manual, but god knows how many printer ink replacements it would need...
Yes. The Logic manual was such a delight with German phrases thrown in randomly to keep me on my toes! But I did pretty much read it cover to cover.

I much prefer today's pdf manuals that I can read AND properly search rather than relying on a German-English phrase book.

Logic Silver on PC was my first DAW. Went to set up the MIDI, and key phrases were in German instead of English. I called tech support, and when I told the guy about my problem, he laughed and said he didn't believe me. Thought I was pulling a prank. In way over my head with that program, and knew zero people that could teach me. Bought Cakewalk Pro Audio 5 a few months later, and it was a much better fit.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:33 am

Weasel-Boy wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:36 pm Those old Cubase Atari tool icons were adorable…particularly the two “kicker boots” to tweak note positions. Straight out of the Sunday funnies.
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Love 'em too. I think I used all the different mouse modes more back then than I do now, and these were so prominent that I wonder if that's part of the reason why - I have no idea what 50% of the current icons even do and I prefer just working in one mode if I can. These days I have other ways to do many of those tasks.

Lots of people have mentioned the Pro 24 in passing but I don't think anyone's actually properly featured it in this thread. NO TIMELINE! That's what blows my mind now. It's paradigm was a 24 track tape recorder, which felt space age at the time.

Gawd, look at it. How did we ever make music with the thing? Here is Axel F being demonstrated by the creator of the program:

Cubase 1 was such a colossal advance conceptually. The main problem with it was the dongle was so unreliable, and made it crash. In the end I got hold of a pirated version and used that because it was rock solid, even though I was a fully paid up customer. People complain about intrusive DRM now, but geez.

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:30 am

Thank the flying spaghetti monster we don't have to work like that anymore...

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:16 pm

I love this from an old review of Pro 24: Now, as Steinberg employ the key copy-protection system, you run into problems if you want several programs in memory at the same time (the direction in which MIDI software usage appears to be going). Aside from the fact that you'll probably need more than a megabyte of RAM, you'll have to fork out £99 for a Steinberg key expander box which holds three keys at a time. The price of progress, I guess - but at least Steinberg are meeting the challenge.
(Think of that, a separate key for running each instance, max 3 keys and more than a megabyte of RAM)

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:21 pm

osiris wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:16 pm I love this from an old review of Pro 24: Now, as Steinberg employ the key copy-protection system, you run into problems if you want several programs in memory at the same time (the direction in which MIDI software usage appears to be going). Aside from the fact that you'll probably need more than a megabyte of RAM, you'll have to fork out £99 for a Steinberg key expander box which holds three keys at a time. The price of progress, I guess - but at least Steinberg are meeting the challenge.
(Think of that, a separate key for running each instance, max 3 keys and more than a megabyte of RAM)

Them youngsters don't know they're born...

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:46 pm

I miss dial up modem shrieks.

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Sun Feb 19, 2023 8:44 am

osiris wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:46 pm I miss dial up modem shrieks.

wwwttthhh tsssssrrrrrr..yehau yhaaaatsssssssssss.... welcome. you have mail

Monsum · Post by **Monsum** » Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:51 am

cryophonik wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:56 pm Did anyone here ever use Kinetic by Cakewalk? (...)

I had Kinetic 2 which was a really fun program for creating beats, basslines and simple arrangements.
The Roland virtual grooveboxes still sound like high quality instruments for that genre.
Managed to install it in Windows 10:

eLawnMust · Post by **eLawnMust** » Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:41 pm

Some of these I totally forgot about, Like Cakewalk Plasma

Here is Audio Simulation Dreamstation II

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:54 pm

I don't remember Plasma but I tried Kinetic 2 and thought it complicated.

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:19 am

lotus2035 wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:27 pm Remember these ancient devices back in the good old days? I spent many an hour back around 2002 playing with them and wondering how they would look '20 years from now'. Like something out of blade runner I imagined. Oh the nostalgia.

The Sampler is gone, but the other two work and look exactly the same today...

legendCNCD · Post by **legendCNCD** » Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:44 pm

eLawnMust wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:41 pm Some of these I totally forgot about, Like Cakewalk Plasma

Here is Audio Simulation Dreamstation II

Oh my it even has TRACKER SEQUENCER! I would have ... well paid some money maybe, for this back in the day if I'd known it. And if it had VST support

Old DAWs - nostalgia thread