Laptop or Macbook? Always been a Desktop user, apple scares me

[SuperG]

Wowser - what a thread! But people do get tired of others parroting Apple Computer's marketing schtick. For some of us, we have seen and heard and experienced that song and dance since day 0. Apple ran with it and milked the Apple II well into way the latter-half of the 80's on the strength of it.

"The Apple Marketing Philosophy


Empathy: We will truly understand their needs better than any other company

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Focus: In order to do a good job of those things we decide to do we must eliminate all of the unimportant opportunities.


Impute: People DO judge a book by its cover. We may have the best product, the highest quality, the most useful software etc.; if we present them in a slipshod manner, they will be perceived as slipshod; if we present them in a creative, professional manner, we will impute the desired qualities.


Mike Markkula January 3, 1977"

The old "we're the best", blah blah...

This is not to say that Apple does not have quality products, just that they are not for everyone. For some, the performance/price value juxtaposition just is not there. And, historically, you paid more - because you are just not going to feel that surge of smugness unless you pay a lot more, and Apple knows it.

PC folks have their problems too (they cannot help but snigger every time one of the A-team fanbois has a technical problem. Time for a new OS roll-out, no?

[jancivil]

that’s a really long-winded “marketing is bad, mkay.” I have no_idea what is so objectionable about what you copypasta’d there.
the snideness really doesn’t make that less tedious, no, quite the opposite.
“And, historically, you paid more - because you are just not going to feel that surge of smugness unless you pay a lot more, and Apple knows it.”
This shit tells us some things about you, but as far as any others, you’re telling us a story. About your disposition.
I started using Apple because it was easier to manage back then, and I ALWAYS hated how windows looked and felt. It was quite a relief, OS 10.2 in 2006
I have no opinions on windows today, as I don’t use it or even see it. Have you ever used say OSX? Your ass is showing.

[SuperG]

that’s a really long-winded “marketing is bad, mkay.” I have no_idea what is so objectionable about what you copypasta’d there.
the snideness really doesn’t make that less tedious, no, quite the opposite.
“And, historically, you paid more - because you are just not going to feel that surge of smugness unless you pay a lot more, and Apple knows it.”
This shit tells us some things about you, but as far as any others, you’re telling us a story. About your disposition.
I started using Apple because it was easier to manage back then, and I ALWAYS hated how windows looked and felt. It was quite a relief, OS 10.2 in 2006
I have no opinions on windows today, as I don’t use it or even see it. Have you ever used say OSX? Your ass is showing.

Heh, looks like I caught me a live one. Right on target too - hit close to home.

I have been resolutely avoiding Apple products since Apple existed because, well, I refuse to pay more for something merely for branding reasons. It is why I avoid Harleys and Cadillacs. I just do not like smoke blown up my *ss and having to pay for it too.

It is like giving up more of your hard-earned money just to have your intelligence insulated with that kind of marketing. It is not that I am particular to PC's, not at all.

[revvy]

You sound like Lotso Hugging Bear from Toy Story.

Anti Apple folks in this thread sound completely non deranged and non patronising, right?

[SuperG]

You sound like Lotso Hugging Bear from Toy Story.

Anti Apple folks in this thread sound completely non deranged and non patronising, right?

Never saw Toy Story.... sounds deranged.... Are you feeling (personally) patronized? Aw... and I do not know you from Adam!

But hey. I believe the best remedy for annoyances is to send it right back till it hurts and they finally realize it was they who opened that can of worms in the first place...

[revvy]

Bless.

[PieBerger]

How disruptive or not background noise is to the individual or those around them is entirely subjective

Up to a point but when said noise is largely undetectable, as is the case with the vast majority of laptops today, then it's just bullshit. Then there is the fact that until a little more than two years ago, Macs ran the same processors as everyone else yet, even then, there was all this bullshit around fan noise. It's a tired old horse that's been flogged to death and no longer has any relevance. The ridiculous scenarios posited in this thread confirm the absurdity of this position. Take the headphones example - do you know what the first thing I notice when I put on a pair of headphones is? It's the sound of blood rushing around my fat head. It drowns out any minor ambient sounds, even with my open-back AKGs on. But your brain learns to ignore it. It's the same with fan noise and all those other ambient sounds you can't control. You just have to choose to do so.

I personally cannot stand the sound of background traffic noise; my friend lives near a busy main road and it drives me mad whenever I visit, especially at night but I lived under the flight path by Heathrow for a year and didn't really have any issues with the planes flying overhead constantly. They are about equal loudness, so given the empirical data would suggest they are one and the same, why does one bother me more than the other? Because it does and that's all there is to it.

I'd suggest there is some mental health issue at play, particularly if you are aware of the condition, yet unable to deal with it. Perhaps some unresolved childhood trauma? Because it's definitely a choice - you are choosing to be annoyed by one thing but not the other.

What is it to you how much fan noise effects the next person (or not)?

My concern is only about misrepresentation of reality. Whether that comes from someone's desperate need to justify a poor choice, a deliberate lie or mental health issues, it's a misrepresentation nonetheless. If fan noise is an issue for you, it is because you choose to make it one, not because it is.

In fact, until I started reading about it here, a long time ago now, it is not something I had ever noticed, perhaps because of an ability to tune out distraction? But when I deliberately listened for it, it was there and I could understand people having a slight issue with it during recording. But in the last few years it has become such a minor thing that most of the time I can't hear it even when I am listening for it. That makes it impossible to see it as any kind of issue for someone buying a new laptop in 2023. It's as simple as that.

Given the choice between a laptop that is silent and one that is not, what is it to you if I, or anyone else, chooses the silent option because it benefits us, even if you don't appreciate the benefit yourself?

Because, and this seems to be a huge problem with a lot of threads here, it's not about you and I, it's about somebody looking for useful answers to a question. So when someone tries to peddle bullshit, I'm going to do my best to point it out so the person asking the question can make the best decision for himself. Why is it that you can't maintain that focus on helping someone out but, instead, have to make it all about you?

I can absolutely give you krap about open back headphones and partner's watching TV, because it is my environment, my partner, my experiences, not yours. For example, you have no idea what my partner's noise tolerances are, so how could you possibly call bullshit if you aren't in possession of all of the facts?

Because I have a little thing that seems to be in increasingly short supply in the world - common sense. Common sense tells me that if your partner is watching TV, you are walking into an already noisy environment, one in which I can guarantee you that none of my last 3 laptops would be capable of making detectable fan noise, even running flat-out.

You can't and you do this all of the time, use your own experiences as the baseline for "fact" and then decide what is and isn't bullshit against it. That is bullshit.

This might come as a shock to you but I actually know other people. A lot of them. That gives me a reasonable insight into norms and averages, so I can say with a fair degree of confidence that unless your girlfriend suffers from misophonia, I think your scenario is absurd and I simply don't believe it is accurate, indicative of anything or in any way useful to the OP. i.e. Why should the OP care about fan noise, just because you're afraid of your partner?

Back on the foe list you go. You'll still reply with some BS about it being immature blah blah, but I will not be lectured on mine or my partner's experiences and mental state by some random guy on the internet who lives alone and sh*ts in a bucket. It's impossible to have open, honest conversation with someone with zero humility, zero self awareness, zero empathy, who always has to be right no matter what. It's not fun, it's not interesting, it's just tedious and draining. Cheerio.

[Jac459]

it's just tedious and draining. Cheerio.

Actually you have been very patient already haha.

That's a shame because I'd like to have realistic unbiased discussion on pc vs macbook.
As I am not using a PC anymore I'd like to be aware of the recent improvements.

On my side, I have the "I don't give a shit about the brand mindset". I have an android because for long, android was the only way to have a very good camera and it was my criteria. Now I have a Samsung because I love foldables. If apple creates a good foldable, considering the improvements they made on camera, I will consider buying.

The same for laptops. I switched to macbooks because I wanted absolutely to have a Risc based processor. If finally Windows manages to have a good risc processor and let's say I can have an oled screen this way I will move without any regrets.

But what I see in the recent posts is that anti-apple are as partial as pro-apple...
I dont have problem with that, I understand that somebody can prefere a specific ecosystem, but in this case don't use excuse to say the choice is because the product. It is not, it is because of the ecosystem and the underlying philosophy

[FapFilter]

ARM isn't purely RISC anymore and x86 isn't purely CISC anymore though

[revvy]

Nothing wrong with partiality but looking at this thread, one side does seem more prone to dribbling than the other (in real life I never hear such rabid bollocks, nobody gives a f**k, just certain folk on here).

‘Why lookie here’. .. Jesus H Christ…

[PieBerger]

Nothing wrong with partiality but looking at this thread, one side does seem more prone to dribbling than the other (in real life I never hear such rabid bollocks, nobody gives a f**k, just here)

Computer go brrr! *some more loudly than others

[Jac459]

ARM isn't purely RISC anymore and x86 isn't purely CISC anymore though

Absolutely true. But I prefere to say Risc and Cisc because ARM and x86 are more implementation of it by companies and I don't want to target companies.

[HREQ]

No need to be afraid of Apple. Macs are very intuitive. And for me personally, going from Windows to Mac, I find there is WAY less anxiety in dealing with it as an OS. Unlike Windows, MacOS just fades into the background and doesn't require your constant attention.

There are a few things you'll probably want to do as a Windows user: setup secondary click for right-click, reverse the scrolling direction, and spend $2 to get New File Menu. These 3 things will allow you to use your Mac the way you're used to using Windows. The only other thing is you need to know to use the Command button on Mac when you want Ctrl. And you'll have to hold Command while hitting Delete to throw files in the trash. Or you can add a little trash can icon to the Toolbar at the top of every window.

any other tips? I like to use alt+tab alt+shift+tab to shift between tabs in chrome
windows key+w to close the tab
for fast web browsing

and I like being able to quickly go to desktop then just windows+tab or was it alt+tab u can see previews of all opened windows and tab to them lol

[sjm]

For the most part, the keyboard shortcuts in things like Chrome are the same, as long as you use the option to switch Ctrl and Command. That's a Mac setting (can't remember exactly where it is, but it's easy enough to find), so you don't have to relearn shortcuts in those apps.

You can switch between apps using Ctrl/Command+tab (depending on whether you've switched the two or not).

[jamcat]

Here's a whole page of Windows-equivalent Mac keyboard shortcuts:

https://www.webnots.com/windows-equival ... shortcuts/