Newbie questions - MSuperlooper

[KRTW]

Hi. I've been looking for a live looping solution to use in Gig Performer. MSuperLooper keeps coming up. Gonna be honest, its expensive, but so far the closest thing I've found that works in a manner that makes sense to me. I've spent MANY hours looking at looper so forgive me for trying to take a short cut and ask newbie questions on the forum. I also can't afford to purchase the WRONG product.

Can you preload stuff into tracks instead of recording?
Can you select a part of a track for looping?
Can you use external fx - I already own a TON of plugins and don't want to invest MORE just for the looping program - so again, can audio tracks be routed independently into external fx?

Thank you. Any other suggestions, comments or advise most appreciated.

[deskew]

There's also Enso from Audio Damage, which is a little less expensive.

That said, I don't use loopers myself so I can't say which is better.

[KRTW]

Thanks for replying. Yes, I find this product expensive but am will to pay if it does what I need and actually works. I've never done the looping thing before before, but a new future means new approaches. Looping is ONE of the 4 performance approaches I want to use.

An answer from a user would be great and go a long way to helping me make a decision.

[KRTW]

Hey deskew - is this the same person who helped out so much iin the gig performer forum?

[elxsound]

Thanks for replying. Yes, I find this product expensive but am will to pay if it does what I need and actually works. I've never done the looping thing before before, but a new future means new approaches. Looping is ONE of the 4 performance approaches I want to use.

An answer from a user would be great and go a long way to helping me make a decision.

You might want to edit your title to include MSuperLooper

Many times a newbie question is “how do I get midi file to make a s sound” so you might be missing out on attracting the people that can answer best.

[KRTW]

Good advice - I cannot find how to edit the title.

[BertKoor]

Good advice - I cannot find how to edit the title.

Pencil icon on the top post...

[zerocrossing]

There's also Enso from Audio Damage, which is a little less expensive.

That said, I don't use loopers myself so I can't say which is better.

Enso is super unstable on my Windows machine running Bitwig. It is a great looper, but it’s a very different type of thing than MSuperLooper. It’s much more married to a Frippertronics type thing, dual Revox tape machines. MSuperLooper completely breaks away from that paradigm and is more like a multi-track digital hard disc recorder with advanced looping capabilities.

MSuperLooper’s really great and actively developed. Melda’s a workaholic. The cost of MSuperLooper is pretty much worth it just for the effects system built in. The only comparable looper is Möbius, but so far no 64 bit version has been released. I’m not sure I’ll go back to it when it happens. I just love the built in effects processor in MSuperLooper.

[deskew]

Hey deskew - is this the same person who helped out so much iin the gig performer forum?

I don't know who helped you out in the GP forums but I'm certainly one of the GP people

[KRTW]

So no clear answers to my questions, although I'd like to thank everyone who posted. Moving forward, as soon as I can find the time (later this week) I'll download and install the trial version and see if it will do what I want first hand. If so, then a purchase, if not - onto something else. I wish the trial lasted longer, but I;'ll do what I can in the time allowed.

[whyterabbyt]

The only comparable looper is Möbius, but so far no 64 bit version has been released.

Mobius has been 64 bit for years. Like, more than a decade.

[elxsound]

Hi. I've been looking for a live looping solution to use in Gig Performer. MSuperLooper keeps coming up. Gonna be honest, its expensive, but so far the closest thing I've found that works in a manner that makes sense to me. I've spent MANY hours looking at looper so forgive me for trying to take a short cut and ask newbie questions on the forum. I also can't afford to purchase the WRONG product.

Can you preload stuff into tracks instead of recording?

YES:

Import WAVs button lets you load an audio file into selected loop in selected track. You can simply drag & drop an audio file onto the loop button instead.

Can you select a part of a track for looping?

I couldn’t find the right word/combination to find this in the manual

Can you use external fx - I already own a TON of plugins and don't want to invest MORE just for the looping program - so again, can audio tracks be routed independently into external fx?

I couldn’t find anything in the manual showing it can host plugins.
I also can’t find anything that it could route it’s 16 tracks separately as opposed to a single stereo out.

Thank you. Any other suggestions, comments or advise most appreciated.

I know you’re downloading the demo, but just in case check the manual… maybe you’ll have better luck searching it than I did.

MSuperlooper looks deep, but at the same time might be missing some features like multi-outs (if I read that correctly) and would be a shame if they don’t support hosting but considering the dependencies (and potential buggies) it could create, I can understand limiting it to just the Melda world of effects... but again, multi-outs would be a way to not require buying everything.

Manual here:
https://www.meldaproduction.com/downloa ... Looper.pdf

[zerocrossing]

The only comparable looper is Möbius, but so far no 64 bit version has been released.

Mobius has been 64 bit for years. Like, more than a decade.

Nope. There's a 64 bit installer, but the plugin is 32 bit. Trust me, I'm patiently waiting.

[balgarnie]

Me too as well have been going down the rabbit hole with this.
I confess I didn't delve too deeply into MSuperLooper, but it seems designed to be it's own universe, as opposed to a plug-in that integrates with Logic or Ableton. It only seems to support MAudio plugins, and I would be concerned about plug in latencies, which can be a major issue with DAW looping.
Not sure if this is particularly useful, but at this stage, while I'm a Logic user, the way to go seems to be with Ableton, which is the center of the DAW looping world.
Logic is on the cusp of live looping, with external footswitches, it can be done, but not ready for IMHO prime time. Ableton has crucial basic design functionality which lends itself better to both live midi and audio looping, also "arranged live looping" which is actually kinda mindblowing in terms of combining composition with live loop recording.
Another interesting option might be Loopy, which is currently an iOs app, but other platforms are apparently under development.

[funky lime]

Can you preload stuff into tracks instead of recording?

Yes, via drag and drop onto the loop cells. Up to 4 separate loops per track. You can practically fake a sort of "clip launcher" workflow this way if you are so inclined.

Can you select a part of a track for looping?

Not that I'm aware of, if I understand correctly. But not all loops need to be the same length (or even have the same starting point, for that matter). So with that and the 4 separate loops per track, you can sort of "fake it" with a bit of thought.

Though maybe I don't understand the question. Yes, you can essentially "punch in" an overdub for only part of a loop, if you set it up that way.

Can you use external fx - I already own a TON of plugins and don't want to invest MORE just for the looping program - so again, can audio tracks be routed independently into external fx?

Yes, it does up to 16 stereo outputs to your DAW, so each looper track can have its own track in the DAW if you want. That's how I do it anyway. Also any Melda fX you own (including the free bundle) can be accessed within MSuperLooper itself, up to 16fx per track.

MSuperLooper is totally my jam, happy to help with any other questions if I'm able. I explained a bit more about my own MSL setup in this thread. I will say, the plugin does have a learning curve and is vastly configurable; it took me a a few weekends and some spreadsheets to really get it setup for my workflow and hardware.