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msvs wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:55 am
I still don't know why you haven't done the biggest genre on earth - mainstream pop (Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Ed Sheerin etc). Or for that matter, how about Dark Pop (Billy Eillish)? That would surely be huge.
because thats basically just covered with our "EDM" packs. Strangely, every XP with a "pop" in the name, (e.g. Nexus) performs under average.
I do wonder if targeting instruments alongside the dance stuff would be popular, continuing from guitars and string machines. Someone above said "what about brass
definately, we will continue to expand in real instruments. In most XPs (Italo Disco for example or Dystopia) are already many many new multiloop guitar kits, which were quite a lot of work to record. The new Cinematic Loops 2 will also contain new real instruments, such as a choir I recorded etc. Many new male and female vocal hooks will be available in the upcoming Melodic Techno 4 (which are gorgeous btw)
But I am not a fan of "type of sound" xps. A whole XP full of only brasses again and again would bore me as a designer, as well as the customer. If you want to have many brasses as a preset selection, just use our search system, to filter out all brasses, pianos, choirs or effects you have installed.
That also suggests another line of attack, together with your comments at the end. XPs that contained significant new acoustic samples, leaning towards a sampler library rather than a synth, could well be interesting. I'd imagine production costs would be higher though.
big multisampled acoustic libraries with round robin etc... are more the speciality of Nexus, instead of Avenger. The CPU demand would just be much higher as in Nexus. And the whole architecture is better to design in Nexus for this task.
Thank you for this lovely long reply, and shout out to noiseboy for reiterating my short question I had early.

Off hand, which XPs have most realistic brass if you could say?

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I never meant to say that expansions sound exact the same, but a lot of them too similar to make me buy more.
I think a lot of synths can sound more or less the same too lol.

I've 26 Avenger xps, and what I like is that each has its own "groove & sound", its own musical identity.

All the sounds in an Avenger xp work well together, while mixing sounds from different xps is fun too, because of the difference in groove & sound between them.

The arps are top quality too. They're not the same at all. I like them because they have stronger emotional content and more musical sensibility than most of the arp packs I see being sold.

Plucks are more difficult to be original every time with as they're all so short. But it's still nice to have a good choice from a variety of xps.

Likewise, supersaws always tend to sound "like supersaws", whether from an Avenger xp pack or another synth.

The Avenger "button and knob" macros are always brilliantly designed. Better than anything else I've come across. This is where a lot of Avenger fun lies, simply twiddling with it.

Other synths with potentially great macro control are generally far less interesting to play with, and most offer only more reverb or delay or phaser or width control (yawn)

otoh Avenger macros can introduce whole new musical themes, with maybe 3 or 4 in just one preset, which is awesome :)

It takes a lot of time to get macros right, and maybe musos don't always appreciate this.
Cheap synth expansion packs of any kind usually have v limited macro use because often the designer isn't a "proper project finisher" like Manuel and his design crew.

Drums can be another big me-too area. Many kits from many synths or drum machines sound sorta the same. But Avenger has interesting ways to work with drums, to shape the sound, and the beats as well.

Avenger v2 promises to take all this further. Check out already complete drum section enhancements here
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msvs wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:02 pm 2 new features: Arp Randomizer and Pitch Quantizer

This is just pure Genius you guys are making a great job with Rene can this randomizer also make random chords or just notes thanks

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random chords can be made with the ARP randomizer, yes

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Hi Manuel. Just one question regarding the arp section. Do you consider to add polyphonic arpeggiator option to Avenger2 (like Blue Arp or the arp in Ana2)? Also randomization of this one would be great! Thanks
Mario

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no, but something better instead is planned: a real piano roll, incl. Midi import

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What about a tracker view instead? :)

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msvs wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:28 am no, but something better instead is planned: a real piano roll, incl. Midi import
Woah. Avenger V2 is going to be amazing!

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msvs wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:28 am no, but something better instead is planned: a real piano roll, incl. Midi import
Interesting - to clarify you mean a piano-roll in the arp?
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Sorry to derail the current tract, but decided to download the demo and was surprised to find that it installed codemeter, which I thought they dropped. What's the deal there?

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BBFG# wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:29 am Sorry to derail the current tract, but decided to download the demo and was surprised to find that it installed codemeter, which I thought they dropped. What's the deal there?
I guess it might be due to the demo version (still) being too old. I wish they updated their demo version to be same as the latest version for the best demo experience.

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We will drop the demoversion completely. It does only do a little to the sales (even if someone here will now tell us, thats not the case) but its just too much work caring for. And having an outdated version, is not conducive, too.
So anyone who want to try should do it now, even if the demoversion is so old, that it hardly has anything to do with the newest 1.8.5 or especially the upcoming 2.0

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msvs wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:35 am We will drop the demoversion completely. It does only do a little to the sales (even if someone here will now tell us, thats not the case) but its just too much work caring for. And having an outdated version, is not conducive, too.
So anyone who want to try should do it now, even if the demoversion is so old, that it hardly has anything to do with the newest 1.8.5 or especially the upcoming 2.0
Thanks for telling us, that's enough for me to not buy. Uninstalled and looking elsewhere.

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thats fine

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