CLAP... thoughts?

[Kalamata Kid]

Someone should develop a really essential suite of free MIDI FX for CLAP. That would incentivise DAWs to adopt CLAP as a universal MIDI plugin format, which is something that doesn't really exist now, since VST3 can't/won't do it. The key is to fill a hole in the market.

Totally agree with you!
I miss the Cakewalk MFX format.
It seems that Cubase it the only DAW that has native midi fx plugins that can easily be inserted per track.

[Tj Shredder]

Logic as well, including the scripter…
Anyway, the PIZ Midi collection is open source. Might be a project to get hands dirty…

[teilo]

Someone should develop a really essential suite of free MIDI FX for CLAP. That would incentivise DAWs to adopt CLAP as a universal MIDI plugin format, which is something that doesn't really exist now, since VST3 can't/won't do it. The key is to fill a hole in the market.

Totally agree with you!
I miss the Cakewalk MFX format.
It seems that Cubase it the only DAW that has native midi fx plugins that can easily be inserted per track.

Bitwig...

[gentleclockdivider]

Someone should develop a really essential suite of free MIDI FX for CLAP. That would incentivise DAWs to adopt CLAP as a universal MIDI plugin format, which is something that doesn't really exist now, since VST3 can't/won't do it. The key is to fill a hole in the market.

Totally agree with you!
I miss the Cakewalk MFX format.
It seems that Cubase it the only DAW that has native midi fx plugins that can easily be inserted per track.

Studio one always has some nice native midi effects , the repeater is esp nice whihc can act as a step sequencer with individual note-gate length (for slide ) , pitch

[pdxindy]

Someone should develop a really essential suite of free MIDI FX for CLAP. That would incentivise DAWs to adopt CLAP as a universal MIDI plugin format, which is something that doesn't really exist now, since VST3 can't/won't do it. The key is to fill a hole in the market.

Totally agree with you!
I miss the Cakewalk MFX format.
It seems that Cubase it the only DAW that has native midi fx plugins that can easily be inserted per track.

Bitwig has a set of Note/Midi FX... plus there is Note Grid which can cover any use cases the dedicated devices miss.

[rod_zero]

I think most DAWs have MIDI FX of some sort.

But yeah a plug in format for using MIDI FX would be superb, the biggest hole in the market.

[teilo]

Someone should develop a really essential suite of free MIDI FX for CLAP. That would incentivise DAWs to adopt CLAP as a universal MIDI plugin format, which is something that doesn't really exist now, since VST3 can't/won't do it. The key is to fill a hole in the market.

Totally agree with you!
I miss the Cakewalk MFX format.
It seems that Cubase it the only DAW that has native midi fx plugins that can easily be inserted per track.

Bitwig has a set of Note/Midi FX... plus there is Note Grid which can cover any use cases the dedicated devices miss.

Also of note is that unlike most DAWs, VST MIDI effects in Bitwig work on a single track, without resorting to multi-track hacks. Want to use Xfer Cthulhu? Just drop it in front of your instrument on the track and it just works. No routing tricks required.

[jamcat]

Right. Many DAWs have their own proprietary MIDI effects. It has long been my belief that Steinberg purposely killed the ability to use VST to build MIDI effects because they believe Cubase's "advanced" MIDI functions give them some kind of market advantage.

Despite your favourite CLAP audio features, it is actually redundant as an audio plugin format, since literally every audio plugin in existence is already available in some other format. So there is no real pressure on DAWs to support CLAP, currently.

But, if there were really useful MIDI effects that were available to everyone through CLAP, that would actually put CLAP in a unique market position, and any DAW that still didn't support CLAP would not be as competitive as those that did.

CLAP as an audio plugin format would piggyback off of its adoption as a universal MIDI plugin format.

[Kalamata Kid]

Someone should develop a really essential suite of free MIDI FX for CLAP. That would incentivise DAWs to adopt CLAP as a universal MIDI plugin format, which is something that doesn't really exist now, since VST3 can't/won't do it. The key is to fill a hole in the market.

Totally agree with you!
I miss the Cakewalk MFX format.
It seems that Cubase it the only DAW that has native midi fx plugins that can easily be inserted per track.

Bitwig has a set of Note/Midi FX... plus there is Note Grid which can cover any use cases the dedicated devices miss.

Also of note is that unlike most DAWs, VST MIDI effects in Bitwig work on a single track, without resorting to multi-track hacks. Want to use Xfer Cthulhu? Just drop it in front of your instrument on the track and it just works. No routing tricks required.

"work on a single track, without resorting to multi-track hacks."
This is true for Cubase but only for the native midi plugins.
This is very convenient feature.

[ThomasHelzle]

In Bitwig it works with any device in any order, be it native or VST Midi plugins, in front of instruments or after, in front of audio effects or after - no matter. So you can easily integrate midi controlled audio effects like Silo at any point in the chain on a single track if you want to for instance.

And Midi not working with VST3 is no longer fully true, there are sequencers, arpeggiators etc. as VST3, Steinberg grudgingly made that possible some time ago AFAIK.

Cheers,

Tom

[zzz00m]

Someone should develop a really essential suite of free MIDI FX for CLAP. That would incentivise DAWs to adopt CLAP as a universal MIDI plugin format, which is something that doesn't really exist now, since VST3 can't/won't do it. The key is to fill a hole in the market.

Totally agree with you!
I miss the Cakewalk MFX format.
It seems that Cubase it the only DAW that has native midi fx plugins that can easily be inserted per track.

Bitwig has a set of Note/Midi FX... plus there is Note Grid which can cover any use cases the dedicated devices miss.

Also of note is that unlike most DAWs, VST MIDI effects in Bitwig work on a single track, without resorting to multi-track hacks. Want to use Xfer Cthulhu? Just drop it in front of your instrument on the track and it just works. No routing tricks required.

The single track VST MIDI approach also works in Reaper and Tracktion Waveform. Just drop the VST MIDI plugin in front of the synth that you want to control. Works great using an arpeggiator plugin.

[] Peter:H []

We have to think in larger terms than just what's being ported from old to new. In 10 years most plug-ins will support features that CLAP has introduced first. Many of CLAP's features will be part of the common frameworks and thus available to anyone using these frameworks then.

For any dev who's fed up with "always the common denominator" might see a solution in CLAP. That is, CLAP is designed (by ABI, by license, by wrapper technology) to be used as an internal plug-in format from which others derive.

It does not happen within a few months though.

I have described todays reality and an observation of the reluctants of vendors to fully implement a standard, that they claim they support. You give me promises for the future of 10 years when AI long took over. A future with a pletora of CLAP Versions and a abundance of inividual extensions that make CLAP like a standard which is in fact many standards cross-product DAW implementations cross-product plugin implementations ... let's see...