Icons: The Compressor Collection by SOFTUBE

[HcDoom]

You are completely wrong.

UAD compressors had oversampling since the beginning. Even today. They reissued their code and updated all of their 1176 compressors versions just a few years ago (also known as MKII). However, even the old ones had oversampling, to begin with. This is not my opinion it's a fact. You have articles by big media and measurements by users all over the place.

Cheers

Sorry, but you are wrong. Take UAD 1176, any of them on Spark subscription and run the basic sine test from 5khz and up...aliasing fest 2001. Mind you, this is on 44.1 khz, but situation is not much better or on 96khz either. Thats why all UAD 1176 models take 0.1% of a modern CPU.

When plugin is ran on DSP card, then its oversampled at 192khz to reduce aliasing - but in native, its running on your project sample rate and most people use 44.1 to 96 khz anyway and there is no option to increase oversampling - so, that doesnt meet todays standards at all.

What UAD did great with 1176 emus is the attack and release timing, sounds spot on - only the saturation tone lacks as its not "analog" clean.

Cheers

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

You are completely wrong.

UAD compressors had oversampling since the beginning. Even today. They reissued their code and updated all of their 1176 compressors versions just a few years ago (also known as MKII). However, even the old ones had oversampling, to begin with. This is not my opinion it's a fact. You have articles by big media and measurements by users all over the place.

Cheers

Sorry, but you are wrong. Take UAD 1176, any of them on Spark subscription and run the basic sine test from 5khz and up...aliasing fest 2001. Mind you, this is on 44.1 khz, but situation is not much better or on 96khz either. Thats why all UAD 1176 models take 0.1% of a modern CPU.

When plugin is ran on DSP card, then its oversampled at 192khz to reduce aliasing - but in native, its running on your project sample rate and most people use 44.1 to 96 khz anyway and there is no option to increase oversampling - so, that doesnt meet todays standards at all.

What UAD did great with 1176 emus is the attack and release timing, sounds spot on - only the saturation tone lacks as its not "analog" clean.

Cheers

I'm sorry but you're 100% incorrect in your assertions and analysis. And I try to refrain from posting sentences like that.

Here's the UAD 1176A (pinkish/purple) vs the UADx 1176A (red).



If you can't hear there are no differences, then you can see it right there. Same harmonics, same exact [low] aliasing. Running PD at 44.1khz.

Drew from Universal Audio has confirmed up and down the internet that these are the exact same DSP running, no change to oversampling, no magic fairy sprinkles on the SHARCs compared to native code.

The reason they use so low CPU is because the SHARCs were just woefully underpowered all these years compared to modern PCs.

Let's just not spread misinformation on the internet like they're facts please. Especially something so easily measurable.

[kmonkey]

Sorry, but you are wrong. Take UAD 1176, any of them on Spark subscription and run the basic sine test from 5khz and up...aliasing fest 2001. Mind you, this is on 44.1 khz, but situation is not much better or on 96khz either. Thats why all UAD 1176 models take 0.1% of a modern CPU.

When plugin is ran on DSP card, then its oversampled at 192khz to reduce aliasing - but in native, its running on your project sample rate and most people use 44.1 to 96 khz anyway and there is no option to increase oversampling - so, that doesnt meet todays standards at all.

What UAD did great with 1176 emus is the attack and release timing, sounds spot on - only the saturation tone lacks as its not "analog" clean.

Cheers

You just need to learn when you are wrong and stop right there before receiving a facepalm.

It is exactly like because of people like you internet became a bad place. You spread misinformation and now you are twisting it further. You said UAD is a 20-year-old code. Without oversampling "or anything". None of this is true. They had oversampling since the very beginning.

https://www.soundonsound.com/sound-advi ... d-plug-ins

Also, they revised their code just a few years back.


Now you are saying or twisting context up to "they don't offer some settings" etc.

But you can call that article a conspiracy theory. I wouldn't be surprised. I guess you are one of those "earth is flat" people.

Fortunately for people like you, you can do your own tests. But even if you're less gifted - someone like Funkybot made it easier for you. If you think he is making lies you can test their plugins by yourself.

Just accept it, you were wrong all the way, and move on.

[Recourt]

When people pick fights with Funkybot.

[HcDoom]

If you can't hear there are no differences, then you can see it right there. Same harmonics, same exact [low] aliasing. Running PD at 44.1khz.

Thx for confirming there is aliasing I was writing about - be it low or high, its there - compare that to DMG Audio, Sonimus, Cytomic, Black Rooster - clean as whistle.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

If you can't hear there are no differences, then you can see it right there. Same harmonics, same exact [low] aliasing. Running PD at 44.1khz.

Thx for confirming there is aliasing I was writing about - be it low or high, its there - compare that to DMG Audio, Sonimus, Cytomic, Black Rooster - clean as whistle.

Don't act like I proved you right when I did the opposite. And the "aliasing" is less than 100db in level.

You want me to post more graphs of those other plugins to show they behave comparably or worse? I can...

[HcDoom]

Yes, please, post Cytomic with oversampling on

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Yes, please, post Cytomic with oversampling on

No. SSL Buss Compressors don't saturate as wildly as an 1176 between the FET and transformers. Would make no sense to compare The Glue to the UAD 1176. Stop moving the goal posts. If you're just trolling, which is what it seems like at this point, then just admit it. But if you seriously believe any of this, I'd be happy to dispel you or any false notions you possess on this topic. That said, Cytomic has an excellent oversampling implementation but UA's is damn fine too and you should be able to recognize that.

[J Veronica]

I bought the Icon collection in the end. They sound great and look premium, which is always nice when you're staring at a screen all day.

Edit - Just found out I have a licence for the UAD LA2A Collection because I bought a Volt a few months ago (and didn't keep), not sure I need the Softube set now, as I have a FET and 3 other compressors from Arturia. Bad timing, lol.

edit 2 - I'll keep the Softube collection, didn't realise UAD stuff has to check with Ilok Cloud every time I use it. Softube I activate a local licence on Ilok Plugin Manager and it never bothers me again.

[Havok]

VCA Compressor is currently being given away for free

https://www.softube.com/products/vca-compressor

[M1st]

Thanks for the tip!

[ToMegaTherion]

If you can't hear there are no differences, then you can see it right there. Same harmonics, same exact [low] aliasing. Running PD at 44.1khz.

Thx for confirming there is aliasing I was writing about - be it low or high, its there - compare that to DMG Audio, Sonimus, Cytomic, Black Rooster - clean as whistle.

Don't act like I proved you right when I did the opposite. And the "aliasing" is less than 100db in level.

You want me to post more graphs of those other plugins to show they behave comparably or worse? I can...

4x is enough to upsample the multiplication of the signal and get the aliasing out of the audio. Most of that is IMD from the compressor doing unwanted things to the body of the sound instead of brief transients. Maybe the circuit models do not behave that well as a compressor because every 1176 plugin I've tried has disappointed. Can the plugins even detect the short peaks the 1176 is meant to compress with its sub millisecond attack?

UAD2 1176, DMG Trackcomp 2 1176 on 16x oversampling, Black Rooster VLA-FET behave little like any functional 1176 hardware clone.They're all somewhat to completely dysfunctional and leave behind icepicks and random pumpy behavior. Almost any 1176 hardware is much harder to get to misfire because its self correcting being feedback, program dependent release that changes depending on the amount of gain reduction and time across threshold (it starts off smooth, then almost linear, then is very exponential sounding when the secondary release can pump it back) and too fast attack or release settings on it turn into massive distortion on it so you dial the pots back to the left. You have to overcompress on slower attack and fast release to make it pump around and spit or get the compression to undershoot and then overshoot later on, compressing what you don't want because it's a feedback compressor trying to correct its own output. The plugs are all dysfunctional tools while the hardware is very functional if colored. You might as well use something else itb for control, something to get that over-driven sound on transients from the fet being knocked out of its optimal linearity, and something to emulate the not particularly great sound of the makeup amplifiers in the 1176. This could be 1-3 plugins but an 1176 emulation definitely doesn't provide any real control over short transients.