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dave davies · Post by **dave davies** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:06 pm

Anyone know who to get the guitar sound - effects in the very opening part of this? Distortion and reverb?

CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 pm

First of all you need to realize it's not "A" guitar sound. There are two guitars on that track. One drenched in fuzz and another guitar track mostly clean with a bunch of reverb. Not very well recorded, but that's what's going on.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:27 pm

Assuming you're talking about the main distorted guitar, I'd probably start with a Fender amp, turn it up real loud and run a distortion pedal into it, then add a bunch of reverb and hipass filter the shit out of it so there's almost no bottom end. The key will be making it sound trashy as hell. You want those throaty/raspy mids and a shrill top with no bass. Reminds me a bit of Jesus and the Mary Chain (just even more lofi) or even the Pains of Being Pure at Heart for a more modern reference.

dave davies · Post by **dave davies** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:28 pm

CapnLockheed wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 pm First of all you need to realize it's not "A" guitar sound. There are two guitars on that track. One drenched in fuzz and another guitar track mostly clean with a bunch of reverb. Not very well recorded, but that's what's going on.

Thanks, do you know what sort of percussion is being used and is it being fed through reverb?

dave davies · Post by **dave davies** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:49 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:27 pm Assuming you're talking about the main distorted guitar, I'd probably start with a Fender amp, turn it up real loud and run a distortion pedal into it, then add a bunch of reverb and hipass filter the shit out of it so there's almost no bottom end. The key will be making it sound trashy as hell. You want those throaty/raspy mids and a shrill top with no bass.

Thanks I'm going to try straight into a DAW laptop-interface, an SSL one.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:14 pm

Honestly, my advice would be: these guys didn't seem to care about their sound, neither should you. This wasn't some carefully crafted blues guitar tone or anything. Just try to capture the spirit.

CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:30 pm

"percussion"? It's just a standard drum kit, not played well & poorly recorded. It does not even sound as though it's even properly mic'd up. Any "reverb" heard on this kit is probably just the natural sound of the room it was played in. I highly doubt any artificial reverb effects were added to anything. The only added reverb I hear at all in this recording is the spring reverb from the clean guitar amp. Sounds to me like nothing was properly mic'd up. It sounds like it was done live in a rehearsal room with just a couple overhead mics directly to a single stereo track.

dave davies · Post by **dave davies** » Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:07 pm

CapnLockheed wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:30 pm "percussion"? It's just a standard drum kit, not played well & poorly recorded. It does not even sound as though it's even properly mic'd up. Any "reverb" heard on this kit is probably just the natural sound of the room it was played in. I highly doubt any artificial reverb effects were added to anything. The only added reverb I hear at all in this recording is the spring reverb from the clean guitar amp. Sounds to me like nothing was properly mic'd up. It sounds like it was done live in a rehearsal room with just a couple overhead mics directly to a single stereo track.

I doubt it, did you stick it out until 1 minute 52 seconds when you can hear some sort of reverb percussion?

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:39 pm

The distortion sounds like a Shin Ei to me, either the Companion Fuzz or the Fuzz Wah, and the reverb sounds like room mics. The reverb will be easy to replicate as long as you have the mics and the ability to turn up. If you're looking for a reverb that can do that, the only one I know of is the Universal Audio Ocean Way Studios, which has a special Re-Mic mode that will give you that sound. As for the the Shin Ei, I'll make a capture of mine for TONEX.

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:53 pm

Hehe, old enough to remember these the first time round from on John Peel's show.

Sort of a poor man's Jesus And Mary Chain. Takes me back...

Top tip - try putting the reverb before the distortion/amp for that washed out almost My Bloody Valentine sound.

This being a down at heel indie band from 1985 then it was probably all whatever shite gear they get their hands on, so I wouldn't sweat it too much, just experiment.

On the drums, Addictive Drums 'Indie' kit will get you close to that lofi sound - the 'Demoing' preset is a good starting point.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:18 pm

donkey tugger wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:53 pmSort of a poor man's Jesus And Mary Chain.

Same hometown as the J&MC, and supported them for a bit.

Later they became Motorcycle Boy, with the late Alex Taylor, singer from the absolutely sublime Shop Assistants.

dave davies · Post by **dave davies** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:32 pm

CapnLockheed wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 pm First of all you need to realize it's not "A" guitar sound. There are two guitars on that track. One drenched in fuzz and another guitar track mostly clean with a bunch of reverb. Not very well recorded, but that's what's going on.

When you say one guitar fuzzed up and the other mostly clean, do you mean layered? That is, do you mean that there are 2 guitars playing the same chords where one is fuzzed up and one is clean with reverb or do you mean the one playing the chords is fuzzed up but the other guitar doing the scratchy notes is the clean but reverbed up one?

Fuzz and reverb guitar?