Ooh, I like This Modular Rack...
- KVRAF
- 8074 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
The new scope mode is a separate "oscillator model" that just passes the V/OCT input as audio, but at least they did that much. Seems like a decent update, though I still don't like their hardware design 
- KVRAF
- 11321 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
It’s not a bad pick up. It’s a solid updateSHall1000 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:15 pm Brains is only £115 with some vendors ATM. Too much choice.
- KVRAF
- 10144 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
A good way to test a setup is to build it with software such as VCV Rack
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 16758 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Well, after doing the update and actually using it, I'm going to have to push back a bit. PLAITS requires that you download an audio file encoding of the sysex and play it into the timbre input. While this has some future-proof properties, I'm very glad at this point that Behringer put the USB-B connector on the front. It takes a half second or so to upload the sysex. I've seen people futzing around with the audio input in youtube vidoes with PLAITS, so this seems faster and much more reliable to me.foosnark wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:58 pm The new scope mode is a separate "oscillator model" that just passes the V/OCT input as audio, but at least they did that much. Seems like a decent update, though I still don't like their hardware design![]()
Second, the scope is cool, yay, but, the big win WRT the display is that both the modes and the FM patch are displayed. This is really worth it for the FM patches.
For me, this completely ups the value proposition.
Now I just need to figure out what is the best way to manage and edit DX7 patches. This really opens new possibilities.
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- KVRAF
- 2418 posts since 9 Nov, 2016
Awesome thread. Lots of interesting pointers.
I bought the Moog Grandmother and would be interested in adding curated modules to further enhance its possibilities.
Two things that stood with me in this thread is the Doepfer Wasp filter (as i absolutely love screamers) and the Reloaded BRAINS. The new TD-3 emulation in BRAINS is of special interest to me. Of course, what makes Acid really Acid is slides and accents in sequences. Is this implementable with brains?
Something that also interests me to be able to use my configuration without needing to be hooked up with a computer is an FX unit (special interest in reverb/delay). The Tiptop Z5000 seems nice. Any other suggestions?
An ~MS-20 filter is also of interest to me (did i mention i like screamers? ). For the best experience i do feel that you have to be able to use both a high pass and low pass filter in series (as in the real ms-20) while most models only offer a switchable low OR high pass but not both at the same time...
I bought the Moog Grandmother and would be interested in adding curated modules to further enhance its possibilities.
Two things that stood with me in this thread is the Doepfer Wasp filter (as i absolutely love screamers) and the Reloaded BRAINS. The new TD-3 emulation in BRAINS is of special interest to me. Of course, what makes Acid really Acid is slides and accents in sequences. Is this implementable with brains?
Something that also interests me to be able to use my configuration without needing to be hooked up with a computer is an FX unit (special interest in reverb/delay). The Tiptop Z5000 seems nice. Any other suggestions?
An ~MS-20 filter is also of interest to me (did i mention i like screamers? ). For the best experience i do feel that you have to be able to use both a high pass and low pass filter in series (as in the real ms-20) while most models only offer a switchable low OR high pass but not both at the same time...
- addled muppet weed
- 111294 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
borg filter has two that can be used together or independently.Stefken wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:10 pm Awesome thread. Lots of interesting pointers.
I bought the Moog Grandmother and would be interested in adding curated modules to further enhance its possibilities.
Two things that stood with me in this thread is the Doepfer Wasp filter (as i absolutely love screamers) and the Reloaded BRAINS. The new TD-3 emulation in BRAINS is of special interest to me. Of course, what makes Acid really Acid is slides and accents in sequences. Is this implementable with brains?
Something that also interests me to be able to use my configuration without needing to be hooked up with a computer is an FX unit (special interest in reverb/delay). The Tiptop Z5000 seems nice. Any other suggestions?
An ~MS-20 filter is also of interest to me (did i mention i like screamers? ). For the best experience i do feel that you have to be able to use both a high pass and low pass filter in series (as in the real ms-20) while most models only offer a switchable low OR high pass but not both at the same time...
- Beware the Quoth
- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Befaco have the BF-22 which has two MS-20 style filters each switchable between HP and LP
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 2418 posts since 9 Nov, 2016
Thanks, both great suggestions. I liked both the Malekko Borg and the Befaco, but the Malekko sounded more like the MS-20 to my ears.
Ohh no, the Borg are going to take over my modular. Janeway to the rescue.
Ohh no, the Borg are going to take over my modular. Janeway to the rescue.
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- KVRian
- 1272 posts since 13 May, 2015
Not really an answer re FX modules as such but I am using a Zoom 70 CDR pedal on the output of my B2600. A cheaper and potentially more flexible option than the FX models I have looked at so far (briefly).Stefken wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:10 pm Something that also interests me to be able to use my configuration without needing to be hooked up with a computer is an FX unit (special interest in reverb/delay). The Tiptop Z5000 seems nice. Any other suggestions?
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- KVRAF
- 1863 posts since 11 Apr, 2008
Depends on what you need from effects.Stefken wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:10 pm
Something that also interests me to be able to use my configuration without needing to be hooked up with a computer is an FX unit (special interest in reverb/delay). The Tiptop Z5000 seems nice. Any other suggestions?
I have ZVerb (reverb part of Z5000) and while it's fun for modulation and strange sound effects, as a literal reverb I'm putting it in the same league as plugins 20 years ago.
From my experience so far, eurorack modules (besides the most expensive ones which I don't even bother to listen demos to) have "crappy to ok" reverbs. I'm yet to hear a demo of a transparent airy reverb that doesn't cover source signal like a tar, on the same league as eg. Skylar pedal.
Spoiled by modern plugins I'm back to buying only guitar pedals for reverbs and delays from now on. But I'm f*** picky about reverb sound
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- KVRAF
- 2418 posts since 9 Nov, 2016
I hear you. So, what would be some suggestions?pixel85 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 6:46 pm Spoiled by modern plugins I'm back to buying only guitar pedals for reverbs and delays from now on. But I'm f*** picky about reverb sound![]()
Boss RV 5 or 6? TC Hall of fame?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 16758 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
I haven't explored the TD-3 emulation in sufficient depth to know the answer to this question, Behringer didn't update the documentation and it isn't compelling enough to me to set it up and try it "right now." Maybe I'll try later, it's in a rack with some pseudo sequencers. Personally, I don't really like the sound very much. It sounds like a typical digital 303 emulation. I mean, it's ok, it's usable, but I'd prefer a Roland 110 module with some sort of gate controlled porta. Yes, 303 peanut gallery, I'm well aware that the 110 does not have a 303 filter, I'd still use it over a digital 303. Now, not eurorack, but what is really the shiznit is the TD3-MO. Same shit sequencer as the original 303, but awesome analog 303 synth.Stefken wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:10 pm Two things that stood with me in this thread is the Doepfer Wasp filter (as i absolutely love screamers) and the Reloaded BRAINS. The new TD-3 emulation in BRAINS is of special interest to me. Of course, what makes Acid really Acid is slides and accents in sequences. Is this implementable with brains?
I agree with Pixel85's assessment that it's difficult to get really good reverbs in Eurorack and that guitar pedals are better hardware, sans modulation, for the money. But, where Eurorack really shines is where the manipulation and modulation are integrated into the module, or, when the module does much more than just effects. Two examples for you:Something that also interests me to be able to use my configuration without needing to be hooked up with a computer is an FX unit (special interest in reverb/delay). The Tiptop Z5000 seems nice. Any other suggestions?
Disting EX
IMNSHO, this is THE swiss army knife to have. It has a decent reverb, a looper, some multi-fx, and a very usable polyphonic multi-sampler. However, all of this is just icing on the cake that it is two very powerful general modules that can take on any number of roles within a modular depending on what you're doing. The worst thing about this module is that owning one will make you feel like you need a second unit.
Loopop on EX
Loopop on the single MK4 (EX is 2*MK4)
Make Noise Mimeophon
Now, this is just a tepid recommendation. I will start by saying that I'm not a Make Noise fanboi and that I think that their stuff is overpriced. That said, there is no denying that they create instruments that manage to be greater than the sum of their parts. There may well be better choices than mimeophon, and, at the end of the day, it's essentially just a delay, and not a super powerful one at that. The thing is, that the controls and interface are setup in such a way that it is definitively modern eurorack and what you get out of it can be so much more than what you'd get out of a similar delay in a guitar pedal that does not have the tight Eurorack integration and modulation capabilities.
- addled muppet weed
- 111294 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
some wasp/borg and mimeophon 
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 16758 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Nice Vurt! The Borg filter is on my wish list. I like the Malekko stuff, although, I don't think that it has the best build quality. It's ok, it's not the worst, and I'm still going to buy the Borg filter at some point. I'm just cautious, for example, of demo or used items.
I've updated the B.Roland system to replace the TipTop FX module with a Disting MK4 and the cheap passive mixer with an intelijel triple attenuverter/mixer. I think that this makes it much more flexible. Sticking with Brains though, sorry, I think that it's a good choice for most people. Being able to just stick a USB cable in front to upload sysex for FM, as well as being able to use it as a scope, to me, gives it a clear edge over a standard plaits clone. The price goes up a bit for the difference between the Intellijel mixer and the passive mixer; it's worth it IMO.

I've updated the B.Roland system to replace the TipTop FX module with a Disting MK4 and the cheap passive mixer with an intelijel triple attenuverter/mixer. I think that this makes it much more flexible. Sticking with Brains though, sorry, I think that it's a good choice for most people. Being able to just stick a USB cable in front to upload sysex for FM, as well as being able to use it as a scope, to me, gives it a clear edge over a standard plaits clone. The price goes up a bit for the difference between the Intellijel mixer and the passive mixer; it's worth it IMO.

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- KVRAF
- 1863 posts since 11 Apr, 2008
I went with GFI Skylar for "transparent" airy reverbs but it costs more (only 4 reverbs but I don't regret it at all).
I think that you can't go wrong with Boss and Hall of Fame is liked by many. HOF demos never convinced me completely to buy it.
One interesting option is Digitech Polara because it has legit Lexicon algorithms. For me Polara is cleaner than HoF. Unfortunately it's available only 2nd hand (it wasn't available around when I was searching for reverb). You can find comparisons between HoF and Polara on YT. Fortunately there's plenty of YT videos with synths, not only guitars
Neunaber Immerse Reverberator 2 gather my interest recently. It seems to be great sounding reverb with plenty of modes and more than just basic reverb parameters.
Also check out comparison of Boss and cheap Behringer pedal below. Maybe you'll find the latter good enough. It's crazy cheap for stereo pedal.
I'm using this Behringer pedal but just as a aux gate reverb for drum machine. tbh I never tried anything besides gate and room modes hehe.
There's plenty of interesting reverb pedals but most of them is mono. What a waste!