Why did you leave Studio One?

[BONES]

Yeah, without watching the video, I sort of figured it's because you learn everything you know from YouTube.

[greententacle]

What, 50 tracks? I agree heartily. If you can't make amazingly good music with 10 or 12, you're not very good at this job. Honestly, I cannot get my head around the fact that anyone thinks they need 50 tracks to make a song. What the f**k are you doing with all those tracks?

pretty useless comment. 10 or 200 tracks, things need to stay in sync.
i need 10 channels just for the drum mics.

[BONES]

And things do stay in sync if you know how to use your tools properly.

[greententacle]

And things do stay in sync if you know how to use your tools properly.

nice if it works for you for your small band projects.

[Trensharo]

Windows Audio supports latency down to 2ms.

I have both a MBP and an ASUS side by side here. Playing an instrument in Studio one (Windows Audio - Windows 11) or Logic Pro (CoreAudio - Ventura) is virtually identical.

I press a key and the sample triggers pretty much instantly on both.

Demo projects in both DAWs play back basically identically, with multiple synths, etc.

If you don't know how to go into settings and lower the buffer, that is a personal issue, but also think people are a bit too obsessed over the numbers.

As for DAWs not supporting it. That is a problem for those developers to deal with. I don't even consider their products without proper platform support, these days. With a Laptop an interface is just a MASSIVE dongle to me.

[jamcat]

So are people saying that Microsoft has vastly improved Windows Audio in Windows 11?

Historically, Windows Audio has been know for unusable and unstable performance with massive latency and CPU overhead. This has been a foundational belief of everyone working on Windows since the beginning of time. It is the reason why Steinberg had to create ASIO for Windows in the first place.

But you’re saying this has recently changed?

[EnGee]

The new standard in KVR, instead of providing sources or helping users to understand, brag about yourself or/and insult others! What dicks?!

[andypryce]

What, 50 tracks? I agree heartily. If you can't make amazingly good music with 10 or 12, you're not very good at this job. Honestly, I cannot get my head around the fact that anyone thinks they need 50 tracks to make a song. What the f**k are you doing with all those tracks?

I do not know what kind of music you do but 50 tracks is nothing and I am sure you know there are people create different types of music than you who might need more tracks which does not mean less talented than you are.
So what is the point? Studio One "The DAW for people who wisely need 10 tracks"?
If a DAW get messed up at 50 tracks thats a problem of the DAW not the user.
Just vocal and backing tracks of a track is a lot more than 10 tracks. Just a Drum recording is at least 10-12 tracks. I am not even talking about film scoring projects with hundreds of tracks while running video, which for example Cubase has no problem with.

[greententacle]

end most topics in off topic nonesense?

[BONES]

nice if it works for you for your small band projects.

I think you mean our "chart topping projects that regularly garner critical acclaim for their production values". That's what you can achieve when you learn to work within the limitations of your equipment and exercise a bit of discipline and flexibility in your craft. You have to learn where compromise matters and where it doesn't.

So are people saying that Microsoft has vastly improved Windows Audio in Windows 11?

They changed it years ago, it's just that nobody bothered checking. When I bought my first Seaboard, which is around 5 years ago, Equator played with no detectable latency with Windows Audio, so it's been good for at least that length of time. But I had ASIO for Cubase and Studio One so I never really thought to try it out on them. Maybe it's better now than it was then, but it was definitely working back then, too.

Historically, Windows Audio has been know for unusable and unstable performance with massive latency and CPU overhead.

No, it's never been like that at all. Previous audio schemes for Windows, like DirectSound and the old audio system (was it called "MMC"?), were terrible but Windows Audio (initial capital letters are the key here) is a relatively new system, which I think has been around since Windows 8.1 and Microsoft's Universal App Programming platform.

I do not know what kind of music you do but 50 tracks is nothing and I am sure you know there are people create different types of music than you who might need more tracks which does not mean less talented than you are.

Sorry, I'm not seeing it. I could easily use 50 tracks if I wasn't disciplined and flexible in my working methods but I am, so I don't.

So what is the point? Studio One "The DAW for people who wisely need 10 tracks"?

Or maybe just for people who know what they're doing? After all, according to a recent poll of professional users, Studio One out-ranked Cubase (or came close or something). There is a thread about it somewhere around here, so it's not like I'm the only person in the whole f**king world who can use it without problems. Even their demo guy, Gregor, looks like the kind of person who'd regularly be using 50 tracks and it seems to work for him.

If a DAW get messed up at 50 tracks thats a problem of the DAW not the user.

That's also a big "if". But if it is within your power to solve it, then it is absolutely your problem. We've heard one little, isolated demo that could be anything. We just have to take the person's word for it that it's definitely Studio One.

Just vocal and backing tracks of a track is a lot more than 10 tracks.

Not for us. One or two main vocals, and maybe a backing vocal track if needed. I might do 20 takes but they don't all go into the main project. I have a separate project with all the takes and I pick the best bits and put them into a single track (or two if I'm double-tracking them) in the main project.

Just a Drum recording is at least 10-12 tracks.

I don't even bother to separate my drums any more, it's just a single stereo output for the whole drum mix. And if you're talking live drums, how on Earth did The Beatles manage with just 8 tracks for their whole song? Even Martin Hannett was probably mostly working with 16 tracks and he's famous for his drum production. Just because you can use 10-12 tracks, doesn't mean you must. These are all choices you make, not restrictions placed on you by what you are doing.

I think doing a bit of FoH mixing in small venues would do a lot of people around here a lot of good. DAWs seem to make people lazy and ill-disciplined. Seriously, how would you have got anything done 20 years ago, when computers were about 5% as powerful as they are today? I don't think my first dedicated music PC even had a dual-core CPU. It was an AMD Athlon 800 or something and we made two albums on it. The two albums I made before that, with hardware, were both done in 16 track studios and we never had any problems running out of tracks. In fact, we probably only used 12 or so on most songs. (Korg's M1 only had an 8 track sequencer, so there would never have been more than 8 tracks of music to record, including drums. The O1/W and Trinity had 16 but you could only see 8 at once, so I tried not to use more than that, to keep things manageable. (key word, here - manageable.)

For me it's obviously the habit of a lifetime but I think it has stood me in very good stead over the years and doubling down on the philosophy of late has only made the results much better. So, for me, the proof is definitely in the pudding. If you'd rather follow some random f**king idiot on YouTube's advice, have at it and put up with all the attendant problems.

[billcarroll]

Must stick to my promise to never read KVR posts.

I will never get this time back.

[liquidsound]

Must stick to my promise to never read KVR posts.

I will never get this time back.

You don’t want it back…

[greententacle]

unbelievable.
the topic is : why did you leave studio one?

bones: do you have input for that question?

[Immanencer]

To OP: I didn't, I still use it pretty much every day!


Oh, you weren't talking to me?
Never mind then.

As you were...

[Danilo Villanova]

That timing bug sounds absolutely unacceptable if true, whatever the chart-topping, critically acclaimed producer of songs with less than 12 tracks says.