Waves...smh

[sin night]

READ THE EULA!!!!! WAVES RESERVES THE RIGHT TO COME TO YOUR HOME AND AUDIT!

Not joking, but these Israelis, have they gone crazy?

They will also sell your personal info to foreign third parties! Se the Privacy Statement.

It’s just lawyer language in my opinion.

Foreign third parties -> they need those for laws like european GDPR or in case they move/sell the company…

Audit: it costs money (to them) to perform an audit… it doesn’t make sense if it doesn’t bring some money back (= there’s no license violation found on the user side)… not to mentioning the possible backslash of a series of unsubstantiated audits…

While those clauses are actually in their eula, I wouldn’t worry much…

[jens]

Lots of people stick with the same setup for a long time.

I don't and still I never had a reason to WUP even just a single plugin. All my V9 plugins (these are the oldest licences I have) still work flawlessly on my current machine and I have no reason to doubt that they will still work just as well on my next machine.

So no, WUP is not at all like a subscription, at the very least no if you're on Windows.

[DrGonzo]

So no, WUP is not at all like a subscription, at the very least no if you're on Windows.

Yeah. Can't argue with that. Microsoft are breaking things less often compared to Apple.

[DrGonzo]

Almost 1600 people signed the petition. https://www.change.org/p/waves-goodbye

I don't think I've ever seen such an outrage before. My feed is video after video. And the mods on their forum are very quiet. Will be interesting to see how they move forward from this. What do you think, revert back to WUP for a transitional time or just silently ride it out?

[Aloysius]

I haven't found replacements for all the Waves Plugins that I like (and I've been looking for a long time) but overall I'll be happy enough to see the back of them.

[Aloysius]

I was googling. Did someone post this already?

Waves Alternative Products • March 2023

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

I don't know much about it but will be digging in as soon as I get a chance.

[gaggle of hermits]

Almost 1600 people signed the petition. https://www.change.org/p/waves-goodbye

I don't think I've ever seen such an outrage before. My feed is video after video. And the mods on their forum are very quiet. Will be interesting to see how they move forward from this. What do you think, revert back to WUP for a transitional time or just silently ride it out?

i think they'll try to ride it out. waves has always been stubborn and has done so many customer-unfriendly cockups they may well think they're teflon-covered at this stage.

and i think a lot of people are so pissed they won't buy the WUP even if reinstated because it's just sending good money after bad: this decision has forced them to look at what they're using and the prognosis isn't good. so many people saying "well, I only really use MV2 or rennvox or maxxbass". and those tools are really just composites of basic plugins that can be copied elsewhere, though perhaps not precisely. but if you need project recall, you can just sign up for a month, print the stems and tell waves to naff off afterwards each time. short of waves going to annual contracts or maybe using the comcast approach to making cancellation absurdly difficult there's not much they can do about it.

[gaggle of hermits]

READ THE EULA!!!!! WAVES RESERVES THE RIGHT TO COME TO YOUR HOME AND AUDIT!

that one's old news. this dates back to when they'd send people undercover to studios to see who was running cracks. we're talking 10 to 15 years ago, something like that.

a lot of people were unhappy at the time but there wasn't a huge backlash because, y'know, cracks and all that. (ironically, i think some of their people posting videos got outed for running cracks a year or two later – I can't remember the precise details.)

yes, they are crazy, but that's been true for a while.

They will also sell your personal info to foreign third parties! Se the Privacy Statement.

this, tbf, is not uncommon. it's normally a boilerplate clause for GDPR reasons to say that data will be exported from europe because they're using some company in 'murica to send marketing emails. under GDPR they do have to provide the ability to opt out of actually selling data to third parties if you're in Europe and usually it's just easier to do it for everyone.

[martinjuenke]

Almost 1600 people signed the petition. https://www.change.org/p/waves-goodbye

A meagre figure imo.

We should face their business logic:

A low 4 digit figure of old users are crying foul.
Do we still make money with them?
No, many of then boast that they never or seldom WUP.
Many of them accumulate freebie licenses up to 20 of one item to sell them in the second hand market (no revenue for us).
Many grab only freebies or super sales and do not upgrade (little revenue for us).
Many are completely saturated with plugins (no future revenue from them).

This low 4 digit figure bunch of angry old men is actually irrelevant for the future revenue stream of us.

We need new customers, many new customers.
We need to lower the entrance barrier.
StudioVerse is quite useful for beginners who do not want to go the hard way of learning mixing.
For these Lo-Fi HipHop tracks the quality of StudioVerse is completely sufficient.

We can reduce our costs by radically simplifying our produkt portfolio.
We can reduce our costs of maintaining old software version stuff.
We can reduce the cost of marketing for the endless stream of sales.

No, I'm not amused (having virtually everything from them), don't get me wrong.
But I try to see the issue with their eyes.

As a former suit or bean counter or whatever invective is used by angry guys
I can see a rational decision behind their move. I doubt they will change this new strategy.

But of course, I can be wrong (happened before, yes)...

[jens]

What do you think, revert back to WUP for a transitional time or just silently ride it out?

Hard to say - but I think regardless of how they react they delivered a blow to themselves that will be very hard (if possible at all) to recover from. Regardless of what they'll say or do they can't fix what they have just broken for good.
And I bet the truth of that will slowly but surely start to sink in for them. Most probably they are in panic-mode already and lots of the Waves staff is fearing for their jobs.

[GaryG]

This low 4 digit figure bunch of angry old men is actually irrelevant for the future revenue stream of us.

I'm laughing but think there's a lot of truth in this scenario. They're not stupid, they knew they'd be hell of a backlash and accountered for that in their plans, new business more lucrative than old etc. And pros who use their stuff ('industry standard' a little like pro tools etc for better or worse) WUP anyway so...

[DrGonzo]

Almost 1600 people signed the petition. https://www.change.org/p/waves-goodbye

A meagre figure imo.

We should face their business logic:

A low 4 digit figure of old users are crying foul.
Do we still make money with them?
No, many of then boast that they never or seldom WUP.
Many of them accumulate freebie licenses up to 20 of one item to sell them in the second hand market (no revenue for us).
Many grab only freebies or super sales and do not upgrade (little revenue for us).
Many are completely saturated with plugins (no future revenue from them).

This low 4 digit figure bunch of angry old men is actually irrelevant for the future revenue stream of us.

We need new customers, many new customers.
We need to lower the entrance barrier.
StudioVerse is quite useful for beginners who do not want to go the hard way of learning mixing.
For these Lo-Fi HipHop tracks the quality of StudioVerse is completely sufficient.

We can reduce our costs by radically simplifying our produkt portfolio.
We can reduce our costs of maintaining old software version stuff.
We can reduce the cost of marketing for the endless stream of sales.

No, I'm not amused (having virtually everything from them), don't get me wrong.
But I try to see the issue with their eyes.

As a former suit or bean counter or whatever invective is used by angry guys
I can see a rational decision behind their move. I doubt they will change this new strategy.

I really like your thinking and you might be completely spot on. However - I don't think it can be as easy as this - there has to be an element of complete retardation somewhere in the chain of decision making.

The amount of negative feedback is something I've never seen before. It's not a very clever move to start off a new hot money generating business model by publicly showing that you don't hesitate to cut off your existing customers.

Any person with half a brain would look at that and ask themselves if that could happen to them if they put money into the company.

The good move would be to slowly phase out WUP and let the old angry guys move along. Or celebrate them in some fake way - you've been with us for so long so now you get Chris Lords Megamixer plugin for free!

I think the heads at Waves should start lowering their consumption of cocaine during their lunch breaks.

/C

[loungepanda]

haha what are they even doing?

150-180$ yearly for a bunch of plugins that are mostly outdated? Weak.
These days stuff like Izotope and Arturia FX bundles can be had for less than 200$ Not to mention all the boutique developers providing better, more modern alternatives.

[SLiC]

It makes you wonder what sort of people are running Waves...all they had to do was say this was coming and they would have made a lot of money with people upgrading one last time before subscription started. Maybe they just don't need any more money and want simpler lives and less customers...

[revvy]

It’s the old folks that have got money, not the youngsters.

Waves? Yesterday’s news, I feel.