Windows DPC Latency info on ASUS laptop ?

[sk3000]

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Greetings everyone,



Are ASUS Vivobook Pro 15 OLED (M6500, AMD Ryzen 5000 Series ) any good for music production, performing with Ableton Live etc?
I'm considering buying, the specs are good, but my concern, of course is DPC latency - as usual, and I haven't been able to find info (notebookcheck site doesn't have proper reviews)

https://www.asus.com/pt/laptops/for-cre ... 00-series/ (https://www.asus.com/pt/laptops/for-creators/vivobook/asus-vivobook-pro-15-oled-m6500-amd-ryzen-5000-series/)

Specifically I'm looking to purchase a Asus VivoBook Pro M6500 15.6" M6500QE (in case the link isn't working)
If anyone has run Latencymon on this machine, please drop a comment. Thanks in advance!

[T-CM11]

Windows laptop models appear and disappear quickly. So don't expect too much from your topic.
Generally, your 2 best options are:
- Buy it and if you have issues with DPC latency, try to tweak it yourself.
- If you're not a "tweaker" and want your new laptop to be a "sure thing", buy one from an online shop that specialises in audio production computers, like for example Scan UK. You won't get the fastest hardware for the least amount of money, but that shouldn't be a surprise.

[T-CM11]

If you have the money* and don't care about backward compatibility... you might want to look at Apple laptops too.
*You won't get the most performance per dollar/euro/goat, but they're currently the best mobile solutions (battery life) - if that's important to you.

[lfm]

You're not getting any PC computer audio ready so, as said, be ready to tweak quite a bit. Turn off turbo stuff and things that seems to intervene.

I have a Vivobook, but weak AMD Athlon on it, and just for doing things online like shopping and listening to pods etc.

There were serious inteference with internal audio doing internet stuff when it was new. But that was fixed maybe a year later or so from when I bought it. So if brand new model, maybe have patience that bugs got worked out. Or buy something that has been out a year or so.

[RexXx]

Can`t speak for Asus Vivobook Pro or Ryzen 5000 Series.

My HP Probook (AMD Ryzen 4000 Series) has zero DPC latency issues.
It use cpu integrated graphics and doesn`t have dedicated graphics (like NVIDIA 3050), which possibly could lead to dpc latency problems.

[uOpt]

That laptop you link is a wannabe gaming laptop. It has a 120 Hz screen but a GPU which will not reach 120 FPS. The screen is also relatively high DPI, which is problematic with some plugins that don't scale.

I second the notion that for music it is better to just have integrated graphics.

[sk3000]

thanks everyone for the feedback,
and apologies for the late reply (didn't get email notifications for some reason).

That laptop you link is a wannabe gaming laptop. It has a 120 Hz screen but a GPU which will not reach 120 FPS. The screen is also relatively high DPI, which is problematic with some plugins that don't scale.

I second the notion that for music it is better to just have integrated graphics.

@uOpt - regarding integrated vs dedicated (NVidia cards, etc) i'm a bit surprised by that. Does a separate GPU card lead to worse DPC due to communication lag between CPU and GPU?

In any case, i'm assuming that even if I go for integrated graphics, I should try to have as much dedicated graphics RAM as possible?

cheers

[legendCNCD]

Notebookcheck has DPC latencies of... notebooks.

[BertKoor]

if I go for integrated graphics, I should try to have as much dedicated graphics RAM as possible?

How many Gb were you thinking of?

DAWs use simple 2D graphics. Let's do some calculations...

I'm currently looking at a Retina display of abt 3450x2000 pixels. With 4 bytes per pixel that requires a total of 27mb RAM. Using double buffering: 55 mb.

[Pictus]

Greetings everyone,

I have no idea, but I recommend you:
- Do a clean Windows installation
- Do not forget to install the latest chipset driver (outdated ASUS site)
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/am ... t-drivers/
- The LAN drivers from Realtek site (outdated ASUS site)
https://www.realtek.com/en/component/zo ... s-software
- Do the tweaks from viewtopic.php?p=8667750#p8667750

[osiris]

If you Google audio latency in that model there's complaints on the gaming end. I don't know if it has anything to do with the Dolby stuff pre-installed. Some of the gamers have figured out ASIO and say no problem after. It's certainly powerful enough.

[sQeetz]

Like already mentioned... Windows laptops aren't made for audio production. One can do it, but they're not meant to. ASIO is an afterthought delivered by audio card companies and ASIO4ALL is a mess and a workaround looking for trouble. Been there, done that....

[umd]

I use a 2004 laptop, with the ASIO driver set to 128 samples@44Khz, running Windows XP, to run my favorite piano plugin, that plugin is still being sold as I write this. Runs without any glitches.

The problem with Windows, is, there's a lot of hardware variations that it has to work with.

If you do your research and get the right hardware combination ( or do the needed tweaks when possible ), it can work great.

SOME Windows laptops aren't made for audio production.

[sQeetz]

I had a Dell XPS 15 a couple of years ago (not a cheap machine by any means) and remember setting ASIO4All below 1024 samples would not make any difference regarding latency, but just introduce crackles. I had an external sound card and when at home it was fine, because of ASIO.... but on the go it was painfully not usable.

[umd]

Yeah...

I haven't bought a new computer for many years, but it is kind of funny to see something that by today's standards is a piece of junk having no latency spikes and at the same time see something that it is so much powerful farting randomly doing the same thing ( more crap running at the same time and different scheduling priorities, I guess ).