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kPere · Post by **kPere** » Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:50 am

adl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:48 am Also this one might be an alternative and currently in sale:
Bass XL by denise
https://www.denise.io/store/denise/BassXL

Ooh, that looks promising!

The Noodlist · Post by **The Noodlist** » Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:19 am

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Mix some filtered, high-mid dirt under the bass signal.
How about HY-MBDrive multiband distortion on send or an insert with a mix function?
https://plugins4free.com/plugin/2479/

TripleDrive
soifersound.com/plugins/tripledrive Google now says it has a virus

The Noodlist · Post by **The Noodlist** » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:23 am

Substrate - Subharmonic Bass Booster? Controls looks similar
https://mastrcode-music.de/en/vst-plugins/substrate/

G-Sonique - XBass 4000
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/xbass4 ... -g-sonique $11.90
on sale at the moment €13.90
https://www.g-sonique.com/xbass4000l.html

Consona · Post by **Consona** » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:49 am

adl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:22 am

You can try Spectre by Wavealchemy. This video did convince me quiet a lot that Spectre does help tremendously to get bass translate on small speakers (which basically is what RBass does).
https://youtu.be/PjaBwQQ8tKA

*Wavesfactory

adl · Post by **adl** » Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:12 am

Consona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:49 am
adl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:22 am

You can try Spectre by Wavealchemy. This video did convince me quiet a lot that Spectre does help tremendously to get bass translate on small speakers (which basically is what RBass does).
https://youtu.be/PjaBwQQ8tKA
*Wavesfactory

True! Corrected my original post.

subterfuge · Post by **subterfuge** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:46 pm

It's quite amazing how many times subharmonic generators or regular bass boosts have been suggested through the years as an alternative to R-Bass. The idea of R-Bass is to enhance the low end by NOT just boosting bass frequencies, and certainly NOT adding lower frequencies than the original, but adding higher harmonics instead. This helps keeping low end cleaner/less muddy while still getting stronger sounding bass. It also helps bringing out low end in systems which are not even able to reproduce those lowest frequencies. Waves patent called that a pseudo low frequency psycho-acoustic sensation.

That is done basically by having a parallel signal path where bass frequencies are saturated and the upper harmonics created by that saturation are added into the original signal.

Denise Audio has a simple presentation of the idea here
https://www.denise.io/blog/2018/12/bass ... o-examples

And here is the expired Waves patent for the R-Bass
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5930373

Deceivingly simple R-Bass was/is one of the more unique Waves products. So far there are very few other plugins which can get close, especially with that simple UI. Yet people have been throwing out dozens of names of pretty much anything that refers to bass.

kPere · Post by **kPere** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:04 pm

Ooh some great reads in there, thanks a lot!

Recourt · Post by **Recourt** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:31 pm

SSL SubGen.

Dirtgrain · Post by **Dirtgrain** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:04 pm

Recourt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:31 pm SSL SubGen.

Seems different, but nifty:

Developed around a natural-sounding bass synthesis algorithm, which utilises wave inversion to generate a bipolar waveform an octave lower than the source material, SubGen can quickly and easily give you huge, natural sounding bass, with control and refinement to sit perfectly in your mix.

JohnRosso · Post by **JohnRosso** » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:15 pm

Dan’s video was very helpful: I use dent 2 plugin with activated pre-bandpass + distortion, and then pro-q3 with another bandpass and killing all side information - comes very close, but it’s on the send and it’s complicated chain vs single easy to use plugin

The Noodlist · Post by **The Noodlist** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 5:56 pm

XCTR? -$9.99
Multiband Saturator with parallel mix per band
https://audioassault.mx/collections/plu ... ducts/xctr

ramseysounds · Post by **ramseysounds** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:10 pm

Just buy RBass

kPere · Post by **kPere** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:57 pm

ramseysounds wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:10 pm Just buy RBass

I'm staying away from leech companies that really don't give a damn about their customers. Hard to rely on waves now.
They messed their installers, support only 1 machine and showed that it may get worse in a blink of an eye.

PS. Screw iZotope also for abandoning great plugins like R4 and phoenoxverb and many others os well.
Hard to find replacement for those too.

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:33 pm

Weight from Airwindows

NAD · Post by **NAD** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:43 pm

From what I can understand (and please correct me if I'm wrong) it seems that what RBass is essentially doing is this:

low-pass the input signal (in parallel)
saturate the low-passed signal
high-pass the saturated signal
add the high-passed signal back to the original input

Is that pretty much it? What am I missing?

Recreating RBass