Plugin Limit on Mac vs PC

[BONES]

So then, the logic is that there is no advantage to using a Mac. Which implies all advantages lie with using a PC.

No it doesn't, it could also mean that there is no advantage to either, although I do not believe that is the case. Sascha said that LogicPRO is an advantage to MAC but I would counter that the sheer variety of PC-only software is a considerably greater advantage and that the overall cost-efficiency of PC over Mac pretty much seals the argument. I can do the same stuff on a PC for around half the cost of getting a Mac with the same ability, hardware and software. In fact, every piece of music software that I rely on every day is PC only [ORION, SynthEdit and Cool Edit 2000].

As an interesting aside, I had a quiet chuckle last night when I saw that KMFDM have two identical Apple laptops, one powered up and the other as a stand-by. Apparantly they don't like the heat generated in crowded venues. Meanwhile, my trusty PC performed flawlessly all night. To be fair, KMFDM didn't need to deploy their back-up either.

[mauseoleum]

Meanwhile, my trusty PC performed flawlessly all night.

without any viagras? you must be one heck of a bone then really.

[jones-y]

So then, the logic is that there is no advantage to using a Mac. Which implies all advantages lie with using a PC.

No it doesn't, it could also mean that there is no advantage to either, although I do not believe that is the case. Sascha said that LogicPRO is an advantage to MAC but I would counter that the sheer variety of PC-only software is a considerably greater advantage and that the overall cost-efficiency of PC over Mac pretty much seals the argument. I can do the same stuff on a PC for around half the cost of getting a Mac with the same ability, hardware and software. In fact, every piece of music software that I rely on every day is PC only [ORION, SynthEdit and Cool Edit 2000].

You're right about the flaw in my argument, egbert kindly beat me over the head about it. But still, the fact remains that, to some degree, an argument of advantages will undoubtedly contain elements of subjectivity, as you allude to above.

[putte]

hmm .. when i think about it everybody* involved in these pc-mac threads must be unsure if he really uses the right machine. or what else could explain that we´re discussing this so often in the ever same way?


*yes, this includes me .. hrhr

putte

[BONES]

But still, the fact remains that, to some degree, an argument of advantages will undoubtedly contain elements of subjectivity, as you allude to above.

And there is nonthing wrong with people wanting one over the other, as long as they recognise that it is pure personal preference. In fact, I think its a good thing to be passionate about the choices you make.

[jones-y]

And I agree, I just wish people would preface their opinions with a simple "IMO" instead of trying to make them seem like objective arguments.

[kp]

But when dissing Macs, you really should be using an IMNSHO :-)

[jones-y]

But when dissing Macs, you really should be using an IMNSHO

and when advocating PCs, it should be:

In my 'i saved a buck so nanny nanny boo boo' purposefully dishonest opinion

[egbert]

And I agree, I just wish people would preface their opinions with a simple "IMO" instead of trying to make them seem like objective arguments.

Huh? Most of the downsides of Mac ownership are objectively quantifiable.

--- Smaller choice of software
--- smaller range of compatible peripherals
--- resulting price gouging due to both of the above
--- one source of hardware and OS - they can charge whatever they want and do
--- cultlike nature of Mac following means that the above is unlikely to change

And then there's the simple fact that SJ is the Prince of Darkness ... who will sooner or later demand the first born of every Mac user ...

(cue fiendish laughter)

[putte]

--- cultlike nature of Mac following

often true. i for one am fed up with these apple/mac evangelists i can meet in mac-forums. whatever apple does .. they cheeeeeeer.
(and apple does quite some nasty stuff. lately they even go the evil mircosoft way by trying to keep their itunes/ipod thingie closed).

i for one don´t like the apple company anymore. i´ll still stick to my g5 (which is a tiptop computer), as i dont see an alternative.

putte

[cron]

And I agree, I just wish people would preface their opinions with a simple "IMO" instead of trying to make them seem like objective arguments.

[Sascha Franck]

--- cultlike nature of Mac following means that the above is unlikely to change

You know, that's just one of the things annoying me the most too.

All that "switch" campaigns of Apple and the "it just works" alike slogans are going so much on my nerves - a) because it's just not true, a stock Mac won't work any better or worse than a halfway well-configured stock PC (which is why you don't buy the very cheapest models) and b) because Mac users indeed seem to believe in that...

I mean, I have nothing against either platform (well, the only thing being that Macs are overpriced, but eating fast food is no better and it's overpriced as well - and I'm guilty of that too...), as a result I wouldn't defend any platform (again, apart from the price tag).

Apart from all that, a G5 DP with Logic (well, with Logic 6 that is) is a killer workhorse, I don't think there's much PCs (if at all) delivering such a performance (all problems with the lousy audio track count aside for now).
But watch out, Logic users might be a dying species... we're gonna talk about that in 5 years again (they just f**ked up all their educational market share - those are the studio/sequencer buyers of tomorrow).
So there's gonna be less Mac evangelists at least in the environment I'm working in.

[putte]

.. especially at the moment we´re in a bad situation.
logic 7 is by far the most worse (in terms of stability) .0-release many of us logic-users ever experienced.
and all this AU trouble ..

putte

[Sascha Franck]

logic 7 is by far the most worse (in terms of stability) .0-release many of us logic-users ever experienced.
and all this AU trouble ..

You know, I'm not unhappy with the situation - gives me more time to think about my (most likely to happen) Mac purchase.
Right now it'd be plainly crazy to lose all the nice win-only plugins I'm using daily, just for the sake of what? Freezing and offline bounce basically - because Logic 7 would defenitely be a no for me right now.
My Windows Logic installs are so freaking stable it's tough to believe.
Just yesterday evening I recorded AND mixed a live performance (the console was only used to feed the soundcard, all EQ-ing, compressing and leveling was entirely done inside Logic while it was recording). All at 64 samples, using a Hammefall DSP with PCMCIA card.
Was the first time I did such a thing, and I was scared as hell before - but it went out to be one of the most pleasing experiences ever. Not only do those guys now have a nice live recording, no, quite some people told me the live sound has been quite great too! Was great being able to quickly put a bit of Logics phaser onto the Rhodes occasionally as well.
FWIW, this was all done on a laptop you can get for around 1200 Euros today, I recorded 12 tracks in 24 bits for close to 2 hours (using the internal 4200RPM drive). Not a single hickup or other flaws.

Oh, and I even arranged the monitoring through it as well. just used the RME's outs 1-2 to feed the poweramp and 3-4 to feed the monitors. I was even able to cut out some nasty frequencies out of the less than mediocre monitoring system the location had available (using Kjaerhus' free graphic EQ, btw). So everybody was just happy!

[egbert]

Oh, and I even arranged the monitoring through it as well. just used the RME's outs 1-2 to feed the poweramp and 3-4 to feed the monitors. I was even able to cut out some nasty frequencies out of the less than mediocre monitoring system the location had available (using Kjaerhus' free graphic EQ, btw). So everybody was just happy!

Totalmix is great. My Tosh laptop runs with incredible stabiltiy with RME cardbus/Win2K and Logic PC - I have never thrown such heavy work at it as your recording gig though.

Eg