Should I buy a DAW or use AI to make my music?

[Synthman2000]

"What can a human musician do that AI could never do? You are kidding yourself that eventually the answer will be "nothing."

Have a story to tell, a human history from human experiences and relate to humans with real not artificial response from a database. When is the word artificial ever used as a positive ? That was a really bad choice of words for starters.

Human emulating AI, chat or whatever... seems literally like a - look up table response - don't be fooled by images and pretend speech. It is what it is a database with programmed emulated elements, face / speech. Anything that can be programmed can be biased and manipulative also remember that.

If they let the public have a go now, just imagine what level it is actually at that they are holding back today for corporate / financial interests with NDA's etc. We would probably sh** our pants.

[Synthman2000]

Why is everybody arguing about “The Inevitable”. It’s pathetic.

It is inevitable, that is correct but in what form and how deep does it impact us and how entrenched in every day life will it be allowed to go in terms of science, medicine, research, politics, social media, infrastructure, communications, transport etc. and discussion is critical for humanity. This is why the heads of AI have recently suggested a pause.

The ramifications could be immense.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk ... 023-03-29/

Here is just 1 thought... let's just imagine that everyone of age 55-63 stopped working with immediate effect globally, cause they just about could coupled with a feeling of complete de motivation. What effects would that have on society ?

It would be extremely serious to lose a significant part of a workforce.... many vital work would not be done, no chlorine in your water, no bin collections, no food coming from farms, no parcels delivered, etc. etc. Government tax intake decimated, social security will be the very first thing to be removed from government expenditures.

Serious caution is necessary, if the people who invented it are saying so, responsible governments need to take heed. If ever there was a time to make sure who is in power in your country are on the side of average people, it's now.

I just picked my cat up in my arms rubbed her fluffy tummy and told her she will never be replaced by AI. You cannot replace love, empathy, caring and wonder between beings with an instruction set. With a bit of luck (ok, a lot of luck) AI might remind us and reconnect us to lost parts of ourselves and what we are capable of.

And to the OP.. buy the DAW !

[vurt]

im gonna put you down as a "maybe!" for a robot sex doll.

[liquidsound]

Why is everybody arguing about “The Inevitable”. It’s pathetic.

It is inevitable, that is correct but in what form and how deep does it impact us and how entrenched in every day life will it be allowed to go in terms of science, medicine, research, politics, social media, infrastructure, communications, transport etc. and discussion is critical for humanity. This is why the heads of AI have recently suggested a pause.

The ramifications could be immense.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk ... 023-03-29/

Here is just 1 thought... let's just imagine that everyone of age 55-63 stopped working with immediate effect globally, cause they just about could coupled with a feeling of complete de motivation. What effects would that have on society ?

It would be extremely serious to lose a significant part of a workforce.... many vital work would not be done, no chlorine in your water, no bin collections, no food coming from farms, no parcels delivered, etc. etc. Government tax intake decimated, social security will be the very first thing to be removed from government expenditures.

Serious caution is necessary, if the people who invented it are saying so, responsible governments need to take heed. If ever there was a time to make sure who is in power in your country are on the side of average people, it's now.

I just picked my cat up in my arms rubbed her fluffy tummy and told her she will never be replaced by AI. You cannot replace love, empathy, caring and wonder between beings with an instruction set. With a bit of luck (ok, a lot of luck) AI might remind us and reconnect us to lost parts of ourselves and what we are capable of.

And to the OP.. buy the DAW !

With ”Inevitable” I don’t mean I agree to AI, with all the possible permutations outcomes.

I have a feeling that by just interacting, at this stage, is nothing more than “feeding” the AI with more insight into the human species, and that, is what is alarming to me.

“Slowing down” warnings….. it’s like slowing down the finger that is going to press the nuclear button: eventually it will get pushed.

Either you stop it or else. But that’s is the “inevitable” aspect:
“Keep going/Slowing down…”

[T-CM11]

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[BONES]

A unique living human in its ever-changing environment will always be way more complex than any programmer could ever code.

The thing with AI, though, is that it learns, just like we do. It doesn't need code new code to learn new things. Meta's AI, for example, can recognise objects it has never seen before. Just like you and I, it can work out what something is on it's own.

That is what art is all about.

No it's not. AI art is already amazing and it's whatever you want it to be. Think of it as the same as commissioning a sculpture for your garden or a mural for your reception area at work. Only instead of telling someone else what you want, you tell the AI. The more detail you give it, the better the results.

Are you suggesting there will be no more art? If so, you have an unrealistic faith in technology

No, I am telling you that there will be more art than ever. Have a look for yourself and try it out - https://www.bing.com/images/create/
Even if you don't want to create your own art, you can't deny that the images you see there are all art.

This is our next album cover, all based on AI generated art. We're both graphic artists and we think it's absolutely f**king awesome, nothing we'd ever have been able to do without the help of AI. My bandmate has been right into it for a year or more now and I keep at him to organise an exhibition. Some of the stuff he's done with AI is absolutely incredible.

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This will be the artwork for the single. Again, it's way better than anything we'd ever have come up with on our own.

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You need to put your ego aside for a minute and realise that you are not the pinnacle of creation or anything else. AI is only going to get better and better and, unlike our restricted capacities, there is no limit to how smart, how creative AI can be. Like it or not, it's going to be way better than all of us, at everything we think we're good at, in our lifetimes.

And we all will become listeners.

Why? There are countless thousands of artists who are better than me, that doesn't stop me from doing my thing. Why would that change?

[Michael L]

The thing with AI, though, is that it learns, just like we do.

No, it doesn't learn like humans do.
It is not "smart and creative."
It creates images, but not art.
That was my point.

But it does recombine existing content very well.
I respect that you shared your own examples of how AI helps market your music.
Clearly, your bandmate has learned to use AI proficiently.
Those images have extraordinary detail!!
I now "see" your point of view much more clearly!

[BONES]

Imho you should use HI (Human Intelligence) to create music. So if you suck with creating music then hire someone...

Why?? I see nothing special about human intelligence that would make it uniquely suited to the creation of music or other artforms.

Have a story to tell, a human history from human experiences and relate to humans with real not artificial response from a database.

Why is that distinction important? What his human memory other than a (terribly unreliable) database?

When is the word artificial ever used as a positive ?

Flying would be much more dangerous if aircraft weren't fitted with an artificial horizon instrument. Artificial plants are much less hassle than real ones but look just as beautiful. Artificial sweeteners are better for you than sugar. In medicine they use all sorts of artificial versions of natural chemicals to treat illness.

Human emulating AI, chat or whatever... seems literally like a - look up table response - don't be fooled by images and pretend speech. It is what it is a database with programmed emulated elements, face / speech.

Again, just like a human. Language is all stored away in a database in your brain, as is mathematics and everything else. It all has to be input before it can be accessed and used.

Anything that can be programmed can be biased and manipulative also remember that.

Right, and people are always 100% objective.

If they let the public have a go now, just imagine what level it is actually at that they are holding back today for corporate / financial interests with NDA's etc. We would probably sh** our pants.

Or be very excited at the possibilities it will open for all of us.

It is inevitable, that is correct but in what form and how deep does it impact us and how entrenched in every day life will it be allowed to go in terms of science, medicine, research, politics, social media, infrastructure, communications, transport etc. and discussion is critical for humanity.

The more deeply entrenched, the better. It's not like we've done such a bang-up job of looking after ourselves or the planet.

Here is just 1 thought... let's just imagine that everyone of age 55-63 stopped working with immediate effect globally, cause they just about could coupled with a feeling of complete de motivation. What effects would that have on society ?

Who cares? How is that relevant to this or any other discussion?

Serious caution is necessary, if the people who invented it are saying so, responsible governments need to take heed.

Elon Musk is a noted lunatic and he never invented anything. He gives money to other people to invent stuff.

If ever there was a time to make sure who is in power in your country are on the side of average people, it's now.[//quote]
The sooner Ai replaces politicians and starts running the world, the better off we'll all be. Imagine a world where nobody has to work and you can choose to do anything you like with your time. That's something that will never happen with people in charge but could easily be achieved with AI running the world for us.

You cannot replace love, empathy, caring and wonder between beings with an instruction set.

What is DNA if not an instruction set on how to make more of whatever it is the DNA is contained within? Millions of years of evolution, refining it all and, even now, it's f**king up society because it cannot keep up. Your stupid f**king cat is a perfect example. We need change more than at any time in history and Ai looks pretty promising to me.

[BONES]

The thing with AI, though, is that it learns, just like we do.

No, it doesn't learn like humans do.
It is not "smart and creative."
It creates images, but not art.
That was my point.

Did you even bother to look at the link I posted? That's f**king art, baby, whether you want to admit it or not. Our album covers are as much art as any album cover ever made and that is something you simply cannot deny. If a photograph can be considered art, and it has been for decades now, then AI art definitely qualifies.

But it does recombine existing content very well.

As do I, every day at work. That's pretty much exactly what every graphic artist does - you take photos, you take images, you take text and you combine them in artistically pleasing ways to fulfill a brief. That's how graphic ART is created.

Your definition of art is far too narrow. What is Andy Warhol's famous Campbell's Soup piece other than a taking something mundane from everyday life and turning it into art? How is that different from what AI does?

Those images have extraordinary detail!!
I now "see" your point of view much more clearly!

To be fair, we've added a lot to it. The main image is two different AI images that we combined, then I did my graphic art thing and added the aircraft, the explosions, some light effects and dust, all of which are elements I downloaded from the internet. So the most genuine part of it all is actually the parts the AI contributed. The red image was just the android, which I cut out before adding all the other stuff in. Again, all the other stuff are just layers of dust and grit and a big, red lens flare I downloaded from the 'net.

[Michael L]

That's how graphic ART is created.
Your definition of art is far too narrow.

True
For example, I distinguish graphic DESIGN and art
Design solves problems, art provokes thinking
That link was all design

For example, Warhol did not just create images
He was commenting on the emptiness of modern life

Duchamp did not just display a urinal
Dada was a response to the horrors of WWI

But this whole thread is just philosophy
Both right and wrong can coexist

[nix808]

digital art of image combinance is called compositing
-AI Photoshopping is becoming wicked

AI doesn't understand anything though,
where maybe the biome, be it t rex or rabbit,
maybe they does

AI is still a machine, and in no way conscious imo

yah- if things are argued it cause exclusivity where there needn't be any I thought

Michael- I think art is defined as artifice, not philosophical construct

[Michael L]

To be fair, we've added a lot to it. The main image is two different AI images that we combined, then I did my graphic art thing and added the aircraft, the explosions, some light effects and dust

Here is the giant 1963 Roy Lichtenstein painting Whaam! (below) and Irv Novick's comic book source (above)
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Novick > Lichtenstein.jpg

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a commentary on the Vietnam war

[nix808]

i'm not arguing!

...if art or anything was clever would there be 99999999999 gnats?

[Michael L]

Similarly, the art of techno originated with the Belleville Three in Detroit as a secret, futuristic subculture that brought Black people together in a city emptied by white flight.
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Then it was commodified (turned into a product) as EDM.
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AI is also a commodity
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(I am just thinking out loud)

[BONES]

For example, I distinguish graphic DESIGN and art

You mean graphic design and painting or drawing. "ART" can take any form, from gardening to automobiles and anything in between.

Design solves problems, art provokes thinking
That link was all design

What an absolute load of twaddle. Design and art are two aspects of the same creative process.

For example, Warhol did not just create images. He was commenting on the emptiness of modern life

... in many cases using crude graphic design techniques. He designed his art to convey a message. Similarly, if I tell the AI to write a song about "the emptiness of modern life", it will probably do a better job than I would. In fact, I just asked Bing to produce " a sketch that depicts the emptiness of modern life". I quite like what it came up with -

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