Cherry Audio going NFR...

[PieBerger]

But IMO, the big black eye here is the lack of communication. What the hell Cherry Audio? You left us all to read about this in a forum? What were you thinking?

They attended the same marketing seminar as Bitwig and Waves

[imrae]

But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.'

[Immanencer]

But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.'

"Oh, for heaven's sake, mankind, it's only four light years away, you know."

Also possibly relevant:

[Gavincoolguy]

I'll be looking to buy some licenses as they go NFR I like cherry audio and as a windows user and primarily a computer dork I'm happy with where they are today and have no worries about running them in the future. I would not buy a $100+ synth that is NFR but I will happily purchase software that is priced fairly and ready to use today with no plan to sell it in the future. That's how it's always been with everything else I care about.

[zzz00m]

I'll be looking to buy some licenses as they go NFR I like cherry audio and as a windows user and primarily a computer dork I'm happy with where they are today and have no worries about running them in the future. I would not buy a $100+ synth that is NFR but I will happily purchase software that is priced fairly and ready to use today with no plan to sell it in the future. That's how it's always been with everything else I care about.

Right now you can get 5 Cherry Audio plugins, including CA2600, Memorymode, & PS-20, for a total of $20 in the "Level Up" bundle from Humble Bundle! Plus more!

https://www.humblebundle.com/software/l ... k-software

[Gavincoolguy]

I'm absolutely buying that bundle in the next week when I get the chance to to sit down with it and play with it some. I have all of the items as modules besides the memorymode and I have question in to MBR about whether his Miniverse filter in module format is the same. I think if they default designed every VST to also have a place in VM and if you bought one you got the other they would have a really awesome product that would be hard not to own just because it's fun. At a company like Cherry it's probably a programmer transferring licenses. Maybe someday they can circle back and do something better. It was first thing I checked before I bought anything and was in the TOS but I would probably feel slighted if that wasn't the case. We are in tough times just like 2000 and 2008 I'm more worried about people like cherry making it til 2033 then selling their license for $10.

I'll be looking to buy some licenses as they go NFR I like cherry audio and as a windows user and primarily a computer dork I'm happy with where they are today and have no worries about running them in the future. I would not buy a $100+ synth that is NFR but I will happily purchase software that is priced fairly and ready to use today with no plan to sell it in the future. That's how it's always been with everything else I care about.

Right now you can get 5 Cherry Audio plugins, including CA2600, Memorymode, & PS-20, for a total of $20 in the "Level Up" bundle from Humble Bundle! Plus more!

https://www.humblebundle.com/software/l ... k-software

[Steve W]

This is a game changer for loyal purchasers of Cherry Audio products.

[zzz00m]

From a current Cherry Audio EULA:

License Grant. GX-80 (our “Software”) is licensed to you and not sold. Cherry Audio grants to you a personal, limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, non-sublicensable, and revocable right and license to use the Software on up to four personal computer platforms

[martinjuenke]

Where is PLEXUSS when we need him?

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[kritikon]

I don't buy plugins very often and have actually never sold any onwards, so it won't put me off Cherry Audio (there's a vague chance I might get their Jupiter6). Do they sell in Europe? If so, they might find themselves in trouble, or have to stop selling in Europe and reduce their sales. Did I imagine it, or didn't EU pass laws that make sw sales enforceable? Pretty sure they enacted that thing whereby sw is considered product and buyer becomes owner...with rights to sell second hand. So, Cherry just going to hope nobody notices in the EU and hope they don't get their arses taken to EU court? Or stop selling in Europe?

[PAK]

didn't EU pass laws that make sw sales enforceable? Pretty sure they enacted that thing whereby sw is considered product and buyer becomes owner...

Yep.
Case C-128/11 UsedSoft GmbH v Oracle International Corp. “An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his ‘used’ licences allowing the use of his programs downloaded from the internet. The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is exhausted on its first sale.”

https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/doc ... 0094en.pdf

[Korg Supporter]

didn't EU pass laws that make sw sales enforceable? Pretty sure they enacted that thing whereby sw is considered product and buyer becomes owner...

Yep.
Case C-128/11 UsedSoft GmbH v Oracle International Corp. “An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his ‘used’ licences allowing the use of his programs downloaded from the internet. The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is exhausted on its first sale.”

https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/doc ... 0094en.pdf

I bought SonicProjects' OP-X Pro II last year using a "student discount". I wanted to sell the license to a guy who had trouble finding a used license (and they wouldn't let them have a discounted license). When I reached out to the team before explaining, they thought I was going to sell it for a price higher than what I paid for and called me greedy for doing it. Although they apologized for the misunderstanding, they still didn't allow it. Their philosophy is that once the software is bought, it is owned for life. I love its sound anyways.

[RobGee]

I only purchased their modular as it allows you to modulate and setup interesting routing like feedback loops with vst plugins which is pretty cool. Never been that impressed or tempted by their emulations.

[plexuss]

NFR is abhorrent behaviour and I am disgusted with Cherry Audio. As a past loyal customer, I will no longer buy any products from Cherry and will consider selling off what I have if I cal pull it together by the May 1. Disgusting and shameful of Cherry.

[PieBerger]

I don't buy plugins very often and have actually never sold any onwards, so it won't put me off Cherry Audio (there's a vague chance I might get their Jupiter6). Do they sell in Europe? If so, they might find themselves in trouble, or have to stop selling in Europe and reduce their sales. Did I imagine it, or didn't EU pass laws that make sw sales enforceable? Pretty sure they enacted that thing whereby sw is considered product and buyer becomes owner...with rights to sell second hand. So, Cherry just going to hope nobody notices in the EU and hope they don't get their arses taken to EU court? Or stop selling in Europe?

Parawave are based in the EU and have sold NFR licenses since day one I believe. The EU courts don't give a damn about small fry (in the grand scheme of things) EU-based soft synth developers breaking the rules, so why would they care about a US company doing the same?