Mulab under the hood

[whyterabbyt]

BTW, that bit about communication is doesnt actually seem to be part of tany major dictionary definition of integrated.

Here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_integration

so you meant 'system integration' rather than 'integration.' Thanks for clarifying.

Could you identify 'communication' as a prerequisite in that wikipedia definition, please.

MuLab is already exactly

MuLab is not "exactly" like Max, Kyma, MetaSynth, or anything else.
But they all create value through integration.

Splitting hairs. Nothing is exactly like anything, except where it is.
And Max's multiple independent and loosely-coupled subsystems from node.js to js.ui to msp to gen are maybe not your best reference for 'system integration' that depends on 'communication'.

Based on my own use case, I have confidence that greater integration within MuLab will increase its unique value to users.

YMMV

MMDV. Based on my own use case, I have confidence that closing MuLab to plugin use will decrease its overall value to users.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

MMDV. Based on my own use case, I have confidence that closing MuLab to plugin use will decrease its overall value to users.

Sadly I agree with this. Reason was probably the best example of a hold out to vst integration but eventually bent the knee. Due to overwhelming customer demand.

I would be fine with Mulab without vst but I am a bit quirky and surely do not represent the average daw user.

I believe that many folk would pass on the wonderful world of Mutools without giving it a chance once they found out no vst integration. This in the long run would mean less users and less capital for Mulab to be developed further....IMHO.

[Bombaoglan]

MMDV. Based on my own use case, I have confidence that closing MuLab to plugin use will decrease its overall value to users.

Sadly I agree with this. Reason was probably the best example of a hold out to vst integration but eventually bent the knee. Due to overwhelming customer demand.

I would be fine with Mulab without vst but I am a bit quirky and surely do not represent the average daw user.

I believe that many folk would pass on the wonderful world of Mutools without giving it a chance once they found out no vst integration. This in the long run would mean less users and less capital for Mulab to be developed further....IMHO.

Well,Jo can make deal with Kilohearts company to make him synth device like Phaseplant if he is not going to make own synth alternative to it
After having one powerfull synth he could make own synth,effect devices as having one powerfull synth inside of Mutools would compensate the shortage of his own devices

[mgiambro]

Wow, this caused a real stir
I think Jo meant it only hypotheticaly.

True, but I think it's understandable that users would want clarification on this sooner rather than later. If there's a possibility that plugin capability will be removed in future versions, you're not likely to want to use any plugins in current MuLab projects.

[robert_p]

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But without all that, I would need to resort to using Reaper, the only other cheap and portable DAW with VST compatibility, and would deem MuLab an unnecessary purchase eventually. Sorry Jo!

Cakewalk by Bandlab (100% Free) is another great option for Windows Users:

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[Scrubbing Monkeys]

Kkkkkk..

Just looking at that gui makes me appreciate Mulab more.

[sl23]

Too right! And, it's not portable!

[MuTools]

Hey, just a quick message to say thanks for all thoughts, opinions and feelings so far on this topic. Looking forward to discuss this further in depth soon. Forgive me that i only reply at a calm pace on this topic, because of the emotions and consequences wrt my mother still taking time, but also because i'm quite intensively working on M9.1.2. (prototyping support for "Tab Frames" on front panels)
Please rest assured that i 'm fully aware this plugin topic is very important and sensitive and i surely do not want to take a wrong decission. I really appreciate your views on this, and i'm reflecting on things. Will reply further on topic soon.

[sl23]

Thanks for taking time to reply. Don't worry about it, I'm sure everyone understands.

Looking forward to the new tabs finally making an appearance

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

Mister Jo,pls make presets like in this song.Dirty,atmosperic,windy preset.
Just see even small application like fl studio mobile has better dramatic sounding presets than Mutools Mulab
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11tbV0v ... p=drivesdk

I think that is more up to us the community. There are some very talented sound designers associated with Mulab.

[Bombaoglan]

Mister Jo,pls make presets like in this song.Dirty,atmosperic,windy preset.
Just see even small application like fl studio mobile has better dramatic sounding presets than Mutools Mulab
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11tbV0v ... p=drivesdk

I think that is more up to us the community. There are some very talented sound designers associated with Mulab.

U are true.But problem is that,there is unbalance in Mux as most of factory presets that Mux comes with,dedicated to edm genre.In short, there should be balanced factory presets overall

[rickpress]

What exactly is it about VST3 that is so problematic？

Mulab Plugin would be fantastic with VST3 and Clap. Would really develop it.

Don't see how going pluginless if that is a word would benefit anyone, no one needs mulab without plugins reason already exists. A music application without the ability to use plugins just doesn't make any logical sense here. Maybe the future is Bitwig and I should have gone that route.

[robert_p]

A music application without the ability to use plugins just doesn't make any logical sense here.

I agree with that. I'd compare it to video/graphic/3D editing software - OBS Studio, Davinci Resolve, Adobe Creative Suite, Vegas - they all support plugins. The same AutoCad, 3ds Max, Photoshop etc.
The limitations are found in all applications and plugins are live-savers.

[robert_p]

What exactly is it about VST3 that is so problematic？

There is only one solution to this type of problems: "Work Harder." )

[Michael L]

The limitations are found in all applications and plugins are live-savers.

A music application without the ability to use plugins just doesn't make any logical sense

I have seven standalone desktop applications for composing without plugins, and/or without midi.
Each has a unique "logic" and is a source of endless discovery.

- With one, you paint with colours to compose in micro-tonal sounds beyond the limits of MIDI.
- In a second, users control a touchscreen of sample players to change layers, speed and direction.
- A third is like an arranger workstation keyboard, adding harmony and allowing modulation.

Is it possible for MuLab to also become much more fun and creative than it is now?
Some users cannot imagine how, but our FRs + Jo's genius = real possibilities . . .