Cherry Audio going NFR...

[Steve W]

I wrote 'disagree', not have a little cry

I thought my disagreement was polite. Sorry if it made you cry.

[BBFG#]

Okay, some personal history with companies that suddenly go NFR...

Blue Cat Audio. Even though I expressly asked if they could be resold and they said I could any time I wanted or needed. And I think most of us are in the category of only wanting to sell when we actually need to. Unfortunately, They changed a few months after purchase and if they put out a warning, I never saw it. Since everything but one title I bought from them was part of a charity auction, I accepted what I had no control over anyway and didn't buy from them again until a newer product popped up in the next charity auction. Knowing it goes to charity puts my mind and conscience at ease. In fact, in that purpose, it seems almost douche to try and sell it later for what would end up being a profit.

Like I said in the beginning, removing what I've always felt was an absurd transfer fee to such a low priced plugin and making it NFR at the same price seems a bit more honest to me. Even though I still don't like the idea of NFR in any thing. Seems to me to be a basic human right that anything you buy should be allowed to be sold.

Humble Bundle does tout itself as a charity with these, so again, I can be a little forgiving in this.
So I bought it. GAS ala Nostalgia for my old MemoryMoog (and while not perfectly - enough) and so it won out. I did noticed during checkout though that the "donated" portion was $1. So I'm up for trading off a majority of this sample package for other CA or inexpensive but interesting things? e.g. Polymode, Sines, Dreamsynth...
I'll most likely not consider Humble to be as charitable as they say next time and have to give more negative views to them than to Cherry Audio. Most CA stuff doesn't click my interest, but this did cause me to demo them more and even the hint of it being for charity got me.

[Cuauhtli]

Yeah, they're real charitable. I put $1000 just to see what happens and it showed about $5 going to the charity iirc and a bit more going to BPB. Reading their TOS, or whatever, it claims you can adjust how much of what you pay goes to the charity but I didn't see a way of doing so (Maybe because I was on my phone?). I can understand the small amount going to charity if you're giving the minimum amount, but whatever you give over the minimum requirement should go to the charity imo.

Anyway, I was going to give them $50 but since charity would only get $1.nn I just gave them the $20 in hopes CA might improve their synths in the future. I rarely use samples, except for sound fx sometimes, but maybe the sci-fi, horror samples may be good for something (time stretching, etc.).

[ghettosynth]

All of these startups that have a gimmick such as "we give to charity" or "we use bruised vegetables" are relying precisely on psychology to get you to purchase. The goal is to sell shit. Just be aware of that and pay the lowest price. Some pittance will go to charity. If you want to give more to charity, note the charity that they're donating to and send the difference to them directly. You have at least some potential for a tax deduction that way.

Frankly, I hate those gimmicks and I used to reset the charity bar to zero. Now I don't care, not because I like the gimmicks more, but because I resent the wasted extra time checking out. That particular psychology doesn't work on me. Also, the best deal, especially with books, is often the $1 deal. This time you get CA's 2600 for a buck with some sample packs for a buck. If I'm trying something new out, I may often just choose the $1 option.

Just don't kid yourself, you're consuming and they are well aware of this and use the charity gimmick to get you to consume more than you would otherwise.

[martinjuenke]

Was looking for a good bargain from Cherry Audio fugitives at Knobcloud, but they already took out all Cherry licenses (a bit early I might say...).

[RobVaughn]

I might buy Dreamsynth just to never sell it and then annoy Cherry Audio about the importing your own samples feature until EOL.

You sir are a mad genius and I would like to join your cult.

Really though, Dreamsynth would be an instant purchase for me if they added sample imports.

[george]

Hi everyone,

We wanted to chime in on the topic of companies going NFR (not for resale) with their software licenses. As some of you have mentioned, this can be a contentious issue, particularly in Europe where there have been legal challenges to the idea of non-transferable licenses.

In 2012, the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) issued a ruling that clarified the legality of transferring software licenses within the EU. The ruling stated that the exhaustion of distribution rights applies in cases of software license transfer, meaning that if a copy of a software program is first sold in the EU by the holder of the rights or with his consent, the rights over that copy of the software are exhausted and its distribution cannot be prohibited anymore. This includes licenses that are granted for an unlimited time and for a one-time license fee, which are regarded as equivalent to a "sale." However, there are some limitations to the transfer of licenses, including that partial transfers are not allowed, and the original licensee cannot continue to use the software himself.

https://pavlov-law.com/en/news/The%20Co ... %20allowed

It's worth noting that the NFR designation may not apply to European customers, as the CJEU ruling made it clear that the transfer of licenses is allowed within the EU. As such, companies that attempt to restrict the transfer of licenses in Europe may be in violation of EU law.

However, there are some valid reasons why a company may choose to go NFR, such as to prevent piracy and protect their intellectual property. As a user of software, it's important to carefully consider the terms of any license agreement before agreeing to them. If a company's software is NFR, it may impact your ability to resell or transfer the license to another user. However, there may be alternative options available such as purchasing a new license or using open source alternatives.

Overall, the issue of NFR software licenses is complex, and it's important for both companies and users to carefully consider their options and legal obligations before making any decisions.

[ramseysounds]

what is Disco DSP policy?

[george]

As some of you may already know, we do allow our customers to transfer their licenses to another person or entity. However, there is a transfer fee that must be paid in order to initiate the transfer process.

We wanted to reassure our customers that there are no NFR (Not for Resale) limitations on transferred licenses. This means that once the license has been transferred to the new owner, they are free to use it for their own purposes, including resale, if they so choose.

We believe that this policy is fair and reasonable, as it allows our customers to maintain flexibility and control over their licenses, while also ensuring that we are compensated for the time and resources that we have invested in developing and supporting our products.

If you have any questions about our license transfer policy or would like to initiate a license transfer, please don't hesitate to reach out to our customer support team. We are always here to help.

Thank you for your continued support.

[Vortifex]

I can't see wanting to try and resell. I have way too many plugin instruments and effects. When I don't want them, I just put them in an unused folder in the DAW. Unless the plugin was super expensive, it's way too much hassle to try and sell it anyway. I'd say 90% or more of what I have bought remains unused. It's just not worth the time to try and resell any of them.

It's bemusing how people can't imagine a situation where someone would want or need to sell something.

Also, selling is about as difficult as writing a post on KVR and messaging someone with your Paypal address.

[Leo1999]

Gui of Avenger is formidable regarding
the fact that the synth offers tons of features.

[Leo1999]

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[Tj Shredder]

I this case for me the NFR or not NFR is not an issue to talk about. The bigger problem is the authorization method. I knew it in advance and know its risks. I had some experiences with software wanting to check my legitimity when I am abroad and not online for whatever reason. This is a much bigger issue…
I still have to accept it if I wanted to use the software, I am not happy about it. The option to simply reject those softwares remain, but I cannot not be happy about that option either… As long there are alternatives its fine, but that isn‘t always the case…

[FrogsInPants]

Yeah, they're real charitable. I put $1000 just to see what happens and it showed about $5 going to the charity iirc and a bit more going to BPB. Reading their TOS, or whatever, it claims you can adjust how much of what you pay goes to the charity but I didn't see a way of doing so (Maybe because I was on my phone?).

I don't know what it looks like on a phone, but in a desktop browser there is an "Adjust Donation" drop-down below the Checkout button which allows setting a custom distribution between the publishers, charity, and Humble. There is a minimum 30% to Humble.

[zzz00m]

Yeah, they're real charitable. I put $1000 just to see what happens and it showed about $5 going to the charity iirc and a bit more going to BPB. Reading their TOS, or whatever, it claims you can adjust how much of what you pay goes to the charity but I didn't see a way of doing so (Maybe because I was on my phone?). I can understand the small amount going to charity if you're giving the minimum amount, but whatever you give over the minimum requirement should go to the charity imo.

On the Humble website you can adjust the charitable donation portion by up to 70%.
Just select Adjust Donation > Custom Amount.

My only criticism is that this "hidden" option is clearly overlooked by many users. But you can be more charitable if you make the effort.